Wikipedia Tonescape page

Hello all,

Despite a discussion with some nice arguments supporting
my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in), the
administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to delete
the page about me after all.

(BTW, Wikipedia pages exist for Gene Ward Smith, Paul Erlich,
and some others around here. But i was found to be
"not notable".)

Now the page about Tonescape is nominated for deletion.
If you guys would like to see it remain, now is the time
to speak up. Just edit this page and include your comment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape

Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes -~~~~ after your
comment, to timestamp it with your Wikipedia ID (if you are
signed in) or IP address.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

Monz,

This sucks. How dare they? How about another venue?

Tonescape/Tonalsoft are unique and useful.

Mark Rankin

--- monz <monz@tonalsoft.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
> Despite a discussion with some nice arguments
> supporting
> my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in), the
> administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to
> delete
> the page about me after all.
>
> (BTW, Wikipedia pages exist for Gene Ward Smith,
> Paul Erlich,
> and some others around here. But i was found to be
> "not notable".)
>
>
> Now the page about Tonescape is nominated for
> deletion.
> If you guys would like to see it remain, now is the
> time
> to speak up. Just edit this page and include your
> comment:
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape
>
> Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes -~~~~
> after your
> comment, to timestamp it with your Wikipedia ID (if
> you are
> signed in) or IP address.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi Mark,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rankin <markrankin95511@...> wrote:

> Monz,
>
> This sucks. How dare they? How about another venue?
>
> Tonescape/Tonalsoft are unique and useful.

If you really feel strongly about this, then *PLEASE*
edit the Wikipedia page in the link below to include
your comments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape

> > Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes -~~~~
> > after your comment, to timestamp it with your
> > Wikipedia ID (if you are signed in) or IP address.

What you post here isn't going to make a difference
to the Wikipedia administrators, and there's nothing
i can do, because the reason they deleted the page about
me was because it was tagged as a "vanity" article,
since i had done a fair amount of editing to it.

It's up to you folks, if you want to keep the Tonescape
page in there. And if you think Wikipedia should have
a page about me, one of you is going to have to write it.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

This seems like a big overreaction. Wikipedia is not a host for your
CV, it simply does not allow people to draw attention to their own
computer programs or webpages or books or lives, never has done, never
will. I think it is probably a good decision.

So what are you trying to use Wikipedia for? How can an encyclopedia
be a 'venue'? What's the point of having your 'own' Wikipedia pages
anyway? It's not as if people will be unable to find you with all the
usual search engines.

Concerning Erlich and GWS - nb their pages *don't* say where they went
to school and which bands they played in and what their nicknames are
- things of no conceivable interest for general readers.

The deciding factor is probably whether you can pick out one
achievement which is of enough general interest. Erlich: harmonic
entropy. GWS: prime hunting.

~~~T~~~

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rankin <markrankin95511@...> wrote:
>
> Monz,
>
> This sucks. How dare they? How about another venue?
>
> Tonescape/Tonalsoft are unique and useful.
>
>
> Mark Rankin
>
>
>
> --- monz <monz@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> >
> > Despite a discussion with some nice arguments
> > supporting
> > my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in), the
> > administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to
> > delete
> > the page about me after all.
> >
> > (BTW, Wikipedia pages exist for Gene Ward Smith,
> > Paul Erlich,
> > and some others around here. But i was found to be
> > "not notable".)
> >
> >
> > Now the page about Tonescape is nominated for
> > deletion.
> > If you guys would like to see it remain, now is the
> > time
> > to speak up. Just edit this page and include your
> > comment:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape
> >
> > Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes -~~~~
> > after your
> > comment, to timestamp it with your Wikipedia ID (if
> > you are
> > signed in) or IP address.
> >
> >
> > -monz
> > http://tonalsoft.com
> > Tonescape microtonal music software

Hi Tom,

Aside from the fact that the page about me was deletion,
other folks have been busy removing all of the external
links i've put in various Wikipedia articles to the
*relevant* Tonalsoft Encyclopedia pages, claiming them
to be "spam". The key word here is relevant.

As one example: if you look up the Musica Enchiriadis
in Wikipedia, you'll see a reference to its unique scale.
I had put a link to my page about it, because i offer
an alternative opinion on what notes were in that scale.
But my link was deleted, because the person who deleted
it thinks it's "spam".

As i said before, it now seems pointless for me to keep
contributing anything else to the Wikipedia pages on
music, so i'll just keep working on my own Encyclopedia.

At least the people who use Wikipedia have been happy
with my work on the History of the Bicycle article.
I guess i have to stick to non-musical subjects.

It's so typical of a "democratic" system: contributions
on subjects in which i only dabble are OK, but on anything
in which i'm a real expert, it's "vanity".

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Dent" <stringph@...> wrote:
>
>
> This seems like a big overreaction. Wikipedia is not a
> host for your CV, it simply does not allow people to draw
> attention to their own computer programs or webpages or
> books or lives, never has done, never will. I think it
> is probably a good decision.

Hey monz,

At least you're in good company:
http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/05/sand_castles_of_knowledge.html

:-)

- Dave

monz wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> > > Aside from the fact that the page about me was deletion,
> other folks have been busy removing all of the external
> links i've put in various Wikipedia articles to the
> *relevant* Tonalsoft Encyclopedia pages, claiming them
> to be "spam". The key word here is relevant.
> > As one example: if you look up the Musica Enchiriadis
> in Wikipedia, you'll see a reference to its unique scale.
> I had put a link to my page about it, because i offer
> an alternative opinion on what notes were in that scale.
> But my link was deleted, because the person who deleted
> it thinks it's "spam".
> > As i said before, it now seems pointless for me to keep
> contributing anything else to the Wikipedia pages on > music, so i'll just keep working on my own Encyclopedia.
> > At least the people who use Wikipedia have been happy
> with my work on the History of the Bicycle article.
> I guess i have to stick to non-musical subjects.
> > It's so typical of a "democratic" system: contributions
> on subjects in which i only dabble are OK, but on anything
> in which i'm a real expert, it's "vanity".
> > > -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software

Tom,

I figured out what GWS means, can you enlighten me on
what CV means?

Mark

--- Tom Dent <stringph@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> This seems like a big overreaction. Wikipedia is not
> a host for your
> CV, it simply does not allow people to draw
> attention to their own
> computer programs or webpages or books or lives,
> never has done, never
> will. I think it is probably a good decision.
>
> So what are you trying to use Wikipedia for? How can
> an encyclopedia
> be a 'venue'? What's the point of having your 'own'
> Wikipedia pages
> anyway? It's not as if people will be unable to find
> you with all the
> usual search engines.
>
> Concerning Erlich and GWS - nb their pages *don't*
> say where they went
> to school and which bands they played in and what
> their nicknames are
> - things of no conceivable interest for general
> readers.
>
> The deciding factor is probably whether you can pick
> out one
> achievement which is of enough general interest.
> Erlich: harmonic
> entropy. GWS: prime hunting.
>
> ~~~T~~~
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rankin
> <markrankin95511@...> wrote:
> >
> > Monz,
> >
> > This sucks. How dare they? How about another
> venue?
> >
> > Tonescape/Tonalsoft are unique and useful.
> >
> >
> > Mark Rankin
> >
> >
> >
> > --- monz <monz@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > >
> > > Despite a discussion with some nice arguments
> > > supporting
> > > my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in),
> the
> > > administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to
> > > delete
> > > the page about me after all.
> > >
> > > (BTW, Wikipedia pages exist for Gene Ward Smith,
> > > Paul Erlich,
> > > and some others around here. But i was found to
> be
> > > "not notable".)
> > >
> > >
> > > Now the page about Tonescape is nominated for
> > > deletion.
> > > If you guys would like to see it remain, now is
> the
> > > time
> > > to speak up. Just edit this page and include
> your
> > > comment:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape
> > >
> > > Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes -~~~~
> > > after your
> > > comment, to timestamp it with your Wikipedia ID
> (if
> > > you are
> > > signed in) or IP address.
> > >
> > >
> > > -monz
> > > http://tonalsoft.com
> > > Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Rankin
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:18 PM
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Wikipedia Tonescape page

Tom,

I figured out what GWS means, can you enlighten me on
what CV means?

Mark

--- Tom Dent <stringph@gmail.com <mailto:stringph%40gmail.com> > wrote:

>
> This seems like a big overreaction. Wikipedia is not
> a host for your
> CV, it simply does not allow people to draw
> attention to their own
> computer programs or webpages or books or lives,
> never has done, never
> will. I think it is probably a good decision.
>
> So what are you trying to use Wikipedia for? How can
> an encyclopedia
> be a 'venue'? What's the point of having your 'own'
> Wikipedia pages
> anyway? It's not as if people will be unable to find
> you with all the
> usual search engines.
>
> Concerning Erlich and GWS - nb their pages *don't*
> say where they went
> to school and which bands they played in and what
> their nicknames are
> - things of no conceivable interest for general
> readers.
>
> The deciding factor is probably whether you can pick
> out one
> achievement which is of enough general interest.
> Erlich: harmonic
> entropy. GWS: prime hunting.
>
> ~~~T~~~
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com> , Mark
Rankin
> <markrankin95511@...> wrote:
> >
> > Monz,
> >
> > This sucks. How dare they? How about another
> venue?
> >
> > Tonescape/Tonalsoft are unique and useful.
> >
> >
> > Mark Rankin
> >
> >
> >
> > --- monz <monz@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > >
> > > Despite a discussion with some nice arguments
> > > supporting
> > > my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in),
> the
> > > administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to
> > > delete
> > > the page about me after all.
> > >
> > > (BTW, Wikipedia pages exist for Gene Ward Smith,
> > > Paul Erlich,
> > > and some others around here. But i was found to
> be
> > > "not notable".)
> > >
> > >
> > > Now the page about Tonescape is nominated for
> > > deletion.
> > > If you guys would like to see it remain, now is
> the
> > > time
> > > to speak up. Just edit this page and include
> your
> > > comment:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape>

> > >
> > > Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes -~~~~
> > > after your
> > > comment, to timestamp it with your Wikipedia ID
> (if
> > > you are
> > > signed in) or IP address.
> > >
> > >
> > > -monz
> > > http://tonalsoft.com <http://tonalsoft.com>
> > > Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>

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Monz,

I just read Kyle Gann's very long Post Classic article
and open forum about Wikipedia which appeared in the
ArtsJournal link that Dave Seidel posted today, 28
June 2007, at 13:03:32 - 0400.

What an eye-opener! It makes my want to have nothing
to do with Wikipedia. It makes me want to say "Hey,
I'd be much happier to go to your TonalSoft
Encyclopedia than to touch that can of worms with a
ten foot pole."

Really. Have a good look at that link before you ask
for help gaining respectability from the Wikipediots.

Mark

--- Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com> wrote:

> Hey monz,
>
> At least you're in good company:
>
http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/05/sand_castles_of_knowledge.html
>
> :-)
>
> - Dave
>
> monz wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> >
> > Aside from the fact that the page about me was
> deletion,
> > other folks have been busy removing all of the
> external
> > links i've put in various Wikipedia articles to
> the
> > *relevant* Tonalsoft Encyclopedia pages, claiming
> them
> > to be "spam". The key word here is relevant.
> >
> > As one example: if you look up the Musica
> Enchiriadis
> > in Wikipedia, you'll see a reference to its unique
> scale.
> > I had put a link to my page about it, because i
> offer
> > an alternative opinion on what notes were in that
> scale.
> > But my link was deleted, because the person who
> deleted
> > it thinks it's "spam".
> >
> > As i said before, it now seems pointless for me to
> keep
> > contributing anything else to the Wikipedia pages
> on
> > music, so i'll just keep working on my own
> Encyclopedia.
> >
> > At least the people who use Wikipedia have been
> happy
> > with my work on the History of the Bicycle
> article.
> > I guess i have to stick to non-musical subjects.
> >
> > It's so typical of a "democratic" system:
> contributions
> > on subjects in which i only dabble are OK, but on
> anything
> > in which i'm a real expert, it's "vanity".
> >
> >
> > -monz
> > http://tonalsoft.com
> > Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>

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Thanks Howard,

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--- "Cornell III, Howard M"
<howard.m.cornell.iii@lmco.com> wrote:

> Curriculum Vitae is approximately Biography-Resume
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Rankin
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:18 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Wikipedia Tonescape page
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> I figured out what GWS means, can you enlighten me
> on
> what CV means?
>
> Mark
>
> --- Tom Dent <stringph@gmail.com
> <mailto:stringph%40gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> >
> > This seems like a big overreaction. Wikipedia is
> not
> > a host for your
> > CV, it simply does not allow people to draw
> > attention to their own
> > computer programs or webpages or books or lives,
> > never has done, never
> > will. I think it is probably a good decision.
> >
> > So what are you trying to use Wikipedia for? How
> can
> > an encyclopedia
> > be a 'venue'? What's the point of having your
> 'own'
> > Wikipedia pages
> > anyway? It's not as if people will be unable to
> find
> > you with all the
> > usual search engines.
> >
> > Concerning Erlich and GWS - nb their pages *don't*
> > say where they went
> > to school and which bands they played in and what
> > their nicknames are
> > - things of no conceivable interest for general
> > readers.
> >
> > The deciding factor is probably whether you can
> pick
> > out one
> > achievement which is of enough general interest.
> > Erlich: harmonic
> > entropy. GWS: prime hunting.
> >
> > ~~~T~~~
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:tuning%40yahoogroups.com> , Mark
> Rankin
> > <markrankin95511@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Monz,
> > >
> > > This sucks. How dare they? How about another
> > venue?
> > >
> > > Tonescape/Tonalsoft are unique and useful.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Rankin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- monz <monz@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Despite a discussion with some nice arguments
> > > > supporting
> > > > my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in),
> > the
> > > > administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to
> > > > delete
> > > > the page about me after all.
> > > >
> > > > (BTW, Wikipedia pages exist for Gene Ward
> Smith,
> > > > Paul Erlich,
> > > > and some others around here. But i was found
> to
> > be
> > > > "not notable".)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now the page about Tonescape is nominated for
> > > > deletion.
> > > > If you guys would like to see it remain, now
> is
> > the
> > > > time
> > > > to speak up. Just edit this page and include
> > your
> > > > comment:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape>
>
> > > >
> > > > Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes
> -~~~~
> > > > after your
> > > > comment, to timestamp it with your Wikipedia
> ID
> > (if
> > > > you are
> > > > signed in) or IP address.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -monz
> > > > http://tonalsoft.com <http://tonalsoft.com>
> > > > Tonescape microtonal music software
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi Mark and Dave,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rankin <markrankin95511@...> wrote:
>
> Monz,
>
> I just read Kyle Gann's very long Post Classic article
> and open forum about Wikipedia which appeared in the
> ArtsJournal link that Dave Seidel posted today, 28
> June 2007, at 13:03:32 - 0400.
>
> What an eye-opener! It makes my want to have nothing
> to do with Wikipedia. It makes me want to say "Hey,
> I'd be much happier to go to your TonalSoft
> Encyclopedia than to touch that can of worms with a
> ten foot pole."
>
> Really. Have a good look at that link before you ask
> for help gaining respectability from the Wikipediots.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- Dave Seidel <dave@...> wrote:
>
> > Hey monz,
> >
> > At least you're in good company:
> >
>
http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/05/sand_castles_of_knowledge.html

Thanks for that link, Dave.

Mark, yes i read it and, as with everything i've
ever read by Kyle, enjoyed it very much. I agree
with him pretty much all the way, right down to the
disappointment because i too always considered myself
a populist at heart, and really enjoyed using and
contributing to Wikipedia for about 2 years.

As i wrote in my last post on this, i'm basically
finished with giving my input to any Wikipedia articles
on music, especially those concerning tuning. I'll
continue to write about bicycles and movies, since
i don't have anything about those subjects on my own
website and thus it won't be "vanity" or "spam".

In fact, i guess i better be careful about contributing
to Wikipedia's pages about motorcycles, since i do
have my own webpages about that.

I control the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia, and so i can
add to it whatever i want ... and i will continue to
do so. I'm itching to find the time to use Tonescape
to create all the killer lattice-diagram graphics
that should go along with the explanations on my pages.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
> Aside from the fact that the page about me was deletion,
> other folks have been busy removing all of the external
> links i've put in various Wikipedia articles to the
> *relevant* Tonalsoft Encyclopedia pages, claiming them
> to be "spam". The key word here is relevant.
>
> As one example: if you look up the Musica Enchiriadis
> in Wikipedia, you'll see a reference to its unique scale.
> I had put a link to my page about it, because i offer
> an alternative opinion on what notes were in that scale.
> But my link was deleted, because the person who deleted
> it thinks it's "spam".

BTW, if any of you see a page on Wikipedia which you think
would benefit from an external link to the Tonalsoft
Encyclopedia, please do feel free to add it. I see no
point in trying to do it myself, because if it comes from
me it will eventually just get deleted as "spam".

This goes for any of the Wikipedia pages on tuning-theory
or medieval or ancient music history, which could link
to specific pages in my Encyclopedia, and also for any
Wikipedia pages concerning Beethoven, Mahler, Schoenberg,
et al, which could link to my extremely detailed chronology
"A Century of New Music in Vienna" page, which BTW *does*
have much material from other sources (cited in the
bibliography at the bottom of my very long page) which
is not original from me.

http://tonalsoft.com/enc/v/vienna.htm

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> Despite a discussion with some nice arguments supporting
> my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in), the
> administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to delete
> the page about me after all.

Hi Monz, can't you still put your articles on your user page?
A bunch of links I made got removed, and the article someone
wrote about Cris Forster got deleted a while ago for similar
reasons, it's because of the source, not the subject - what
I've seen so far reasonable citations, and not too leasing or
technical language help to keep articles together, even if
the articles don't fit every guideline.

Clark

Nope. 'User pages are not web hosting.'

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "threesixesinarow" <CACCOLA@...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Despite a discussion with some nice arguments supporting
> > my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in), the
> > administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to delete
> > the page about me after all.
>
> Hi Monz, can't you still put your articles on your user page?
> A bunch of links I made got removed, and the article someone
> wrote about Cris Forster got deleted a while ago for similar
> reasons, it's because of the source, not the subject - what
> I've seen so far reasonable citations, and not too leasing or
> technical language help to keep articles together, even if
> the articles don't fit every guideline.
>
> Clark

Monz,

I, too, am keen to see your lattice-diagram graphics.
I now have the full skeleton of my large hexagonal
lattice graphic. My next task is to fill in all the
ratios and cents, a major undertaking. Some folks are
happy to work with the nodes as
"counters", but I'm the thorough type, and my goal is
to include all the arithmatic right there on the
graphic. I don't want the 12th fifth to be
represented by a 12th counter, I want the 12th fifth
to be represented by 531441/524288, 24 cents.

Mark

--- monz <monz@tonalsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi Mark and Dave,
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rankin
> <markrankin95511@...> wrote:
> >
> > Monz,
> >
> > I just read Kyle Gann's very long Post Classic
> article
> > and open forum about Wikipedia which appeared in
> the
> > ArtsJournal link that Dave Seidel posted today, 28
> > June 2007, at 13:03:32 - 0400.
> >
> > What an eye-opener! It makes my want to have
> nothing
> > to do with Wikipedia. It makes me want to say
> "Hey,
> > I'd be much happier to go to your TonalSoft
> > Encyclopedia than to touch that can of worms with
> a
> > ten foot pole."
> >
> > Really. Have a good look at that link before you
> ask
> > for help gaining respectability from the
> Wikipediots.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > --- Dave Seidel <dave@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey monz,
> > >
> > > At least you're in good company:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/05/sand_castles_of_knowledge.html
>
>
> Thanks for that link, Dave.
>
> Mark, yes i read it and, as with everything i've
> ever read by Kyle, enjoyed it very much. I agree
> with him pretty much all the way, right down to the
> disappointment because i too always considered
> myself
> a populist at heart, and really enjoyed using and
> contributing to Wikipedia for about 2 years.
>
> As i wrote in my last post on this, i'm basically
> finished with giving my input to any Wikipedia
> articles
> on music, especially those concerning tuning. I'll
> continue to write about bicycles and movies, since
> i don't have anything about those subjects on my own
> website and thus it won't be "vanity" or "spam".
>
> In fact, i guess i better be careful about
> contributing
> to Wikipedia's pages about motorcycles, since i do
> have my own webpages about that.
>
> I control the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia, and so i can
> add to it whatever i want ... and i will continue to
> do so. I'm itching to find the time to use Tonescape
> to create all the killer lattice-diagram graphics
> that should go along with the explanations on my
> pages.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>
>
>
>

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taylan,

I wondered if anyone would make your comment.

There are two kinds of cents. I use the rounded-off
kind. Check Alexander Ellis's "Appendices" in Hermann
Helmholtz's "On the Sensations of Tone" for Cyclic
Cents, pages 453-457, and The Duodenarium, page 463.

Mark Rankin

--- taylan <taylan.susam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/30/07, Mark Rankin <markrankin95511@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm the thorough type
>
>
> [...]
>
> I want the 12th fifth
> > to be represented by 531441/524288, 24 cents.
>
>
>
> Do you mean you round 23.46(...) off to 24? Why do
> you round it off at
> all? (Pardon me if I'm nitpicking but I'm new to a
> lot of these concepts
> and I can't be confused about these things!)
>
> Anyway, I do look forward to it!
>
> Taylan
>

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Hi Taylan (and Mark),

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rankin <markrankin95511@...> wrote:
>
> taylan,
>
> I wondered if anyone would make your comment.
>
> There are two kinds of cents. I use the rounded-off
> kind. Check Alexander Ellis's "Appendices" in Hermann
> Helmholtz's "On the Sensations of Tone" for Cyclic
> Cents, pages 453-457, and The Duodenarium, page 463.
>
>
> Mark Rankin
>
> --- taylan <taylan.susam@...> wrote:
>
> > On 6/30/07, Mark Rankin <markrankin95511@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm the thorough type
> >
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > I want the 12th fifth
> > > to be represented by 531441/524288, 24 cents.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you mean you round 23.46(...) off to 24? Why do
> > you round it off at
> > all? (Pardon me if I'm nitpicking but I'm new to a
> > lot of these concepts
> > and I can't be confused about these things!)
> >
> > Anyway, I do look forward to it!
> >
> > Taylan

Just a couple of months ago, i recommended a unit of
measurement which we dubbed the "tina", one degree of
8539-edo. I seem to have been the main proponent, and
my main argument in favor of it is that it offers
resolution about 7 times greater than cents, and for
a huge variety of JI intervals the integer tina values
have almost no significant decimal part, thus there is
no appreciable rounding error if you only use the integers.
See:

http://tonalsoft.com/enc/t/tina.aspx

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

Hi Taylan and Mark,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:

> Just a couple of months ago, i recommended a unit of
> measurement which we dubbed the "tina", one degree of
> 8539-edo. I seem to have been the main proponent, and
> my main argument in favor of it is that it offers
> resolution about 7 times greater than cents, and for
> a huge variety of JI intervals the integer tina values
> have almost no significant decimal part, thus there is
> no appreciable rounding error if you only use the integers.
> See:
>
> http://tonalsoft.com/enc/t/tina.aspx

BTW:

* the pythagorean-comma is 167 tinas (or more exactly,
~166.94);

* the syntonic-comma is almost exactly 153 tinas;

* thus, the skhisma is ~14 tinas (more accurate: ~13.9).

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

Hi Monz,

I just ran across your complaints about Wikipedia. If I hadn't made such a public stink
about how Wikipedia is a waste of time, I'd e-march right over there and write a new
article about you, and rip Wikipedia a new one while I'm at it. But now it would look
hypocritical, and I have come to really believe that getting your ideas in Wikipedia is about
as prestigious as getting quoted on a matchbook cover. Nothing written there will ever be
safe from the vandalism of overgrown children; you write your name in the sand, if that
amuses you, and then walk away. I'm considering trying out Citizendium:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Main_Page

which one has to register at to edit, and claims to value true expert input. I suspect that
some new, better-administrated, user-written encyclopedia will arise, and that within a
couple more years Wikipedia will downgrade (if this is even a downgrade) into a site never
consulted for anything more pertinent than reality show trivia and The Simpsons'
statistics. But I emphatically agree with what others have said here: Tonalsoft is an
invulnerable, easily accessed monument that renders Wikipedia and its ilk redundant.

Yours,

Kyle

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> Despite a discussion with some nice arguments supporting
> my work (thanks to those of you who wrote in), the
> administrators at Wikipedia finally decided to delete
> the page about me after all.
>
> (BTW, Wikipedia pages exist for Gene Ward Smith, Paul Erlich,
> and some others around here. But i was found to be
> "not notable".)
>
>
> Now the page about Tonescape is nominated for deletion.
> If you guys would like to see it remain, now is the time
> to speak up. Just edit this page and include your comment:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tonescape
>
> Don't forget to put a dash and four tildes -~~~~ after your
> comment, to timestamp it with your Wikipedia ID (if you are
> signed in) or IP address.
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>