New List Name: Alternative Tuning for Carl

I'm serious. The amateurs have taken over the list, or at least Carl has.

There's no need for any flame war. It just seems that this list cannot
handle professionals well. Sure, most professionals don't like the attacks and
backbiting that most lists offer. Google lists are cesspools. This list
could be better. It could be a mix of all people working with tuning. However,
it is almost impossible to bring something new to someone's experience up.
Everyone is so entrenched in their opinions. How awful.

I have certainly learned my lesson; never try to give advice to Carl.
Certainly Carl can give advice, his view, his opinion, etc. But catch him making
a bigoted statement about musicians, and he has to bring in other issues to
make a character attack. That's how it seems when his ignorance runs to the
top of this list.

To Neil, how can you stand this? Why go along with his bullying? When he
said to shut up about your stating your experience, you acquiesced. Surely
intonation is primarily something in the domain of musicians, you know, the
ineffable. Understanding tuning systems is an intellectual nicety, sure, but
even Mersenne buttressed his arguments by underscoring the need for a musician
with good ears to determine the quality of what was theorized and planned.

Musicians hear what's going on and make a number of responses to musical
situations that are the primary font of music making. Diminishing them on this
list does nothing for music.

I am disgusted.

JR

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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@... wrote:
>
> I'm serious. The amateurs have taken over the list, or at least
Carl has.
>
> There's no need for any flame war. It just seems that this list
cannot
> handle professionals well. Sure, most professionals don't like
the attacks and
> backbiting that most lists offer. Google lists are cesspools.
This list
> could be better. It could be a mix of all people working with
tuning. However,
> it is almost impossible to bring something new to someone's
experience up.
> Everyone is so entrenched in their opinions. How awful.
>
> I have certainly learned my lesson; never try to give advice to
Carl.
> Certainly Carl can give advice, his view, his opinion, etc. But
catch him making
> a bigoted statement about musicians, and he has to bring in other
issues to
> make a character attack. That's how it seems when his ignorance
runs to the
> top of this list.
>
> To Neil, how can you stand this? Why go along with his
bullying? When he
> said to shut up about your stating your experience, you
acquiesced. Surely
> intonation is primarily something in the domain of musicians, you
know, the
> ineffable. Understanding tuning systems is an intellectual
nicety, sure, but
> even Mersenne buttressed his arguments by underscoring the need
for a musician
> with good ears to determine the quality of what was theorized and
planned.
>
> Musicians hear what's going on and make a number of responses to
musical
> situations that are the primary font of music making. Diminishing
them on this
> list does nothing for music.
>
> I am disgusted.
>
> JR
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com.
>

I am very happy that you brought up Mersenne. Marin Mersenne was a
man who spoke the truth about what he did not understand. In other
words, Marin Mersenne was a man capable of experiences of awe.

Cris Forster

yes awe. So many of the "experienced" somehow lose it. Hence they rarely convey it to their listeners
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