Donval Book

Ozan Yarman wrote : �While the inclusion of Safi-al-Din Urmavi, who was an Abbasid Muslim of Turkic lineage, �..� Some sources say he was persian. Anyway, he wrote his treaties in arabic.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "serge donval" <s_donval@hotmail.fr>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 30 Nisan 2007 Pazartesi 2:18
Subject: [tuning] Donval Book

>
> Ozan Yarman wrote : �While the inclusion of Safi-al-Din Urmavi, who was an
> Abbasid Muslim of Turkic lineage, �..� Some sources say he was persian.
> Anyway, he wrote his treaties in arabic.
>
>

Doesn't matter whether he was Turkish, Persian, Kurdish, or Arabic. It
doesn't even matter if he wrote all his life in the Arabic language. Just as
Kant - a Western intellectual of German background - wrote his academic
works in the scientific language of his time, which was Latin, so did
Urmevi, as an Abbasid Muslim and a scholar of the Islamic Civilization and
Culture, pen down his works in Arabic - the "Latin of the World of Islam".
The treatises in question should thus be conceived beyond the mere scope of
"Arabo-orientalism"; particularly since, it is Turks, not Arabs, who have
drawn music theory from Urmevi's 17-tone tuning.

Let us not, similarly, incline to think of Newton, Spinoza, Leibniz, Kant,
Hegel as Latians, shall we?

Oz.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:

> Doesn't matter whether he was Turkish, Persian, Kurdish, or Arabic. It
> doesn't even matter if he wrote all his life in the Arabic language.
Just as
> Kant - a Western intellectual of German background - wrote his
academic
> works in the scientific language of his time, which was Latin, so did
> Urmevi, as an Abbasid Muslim and a scholar of the Islamic
Civilization and
> Culture, pen down his works in Arabic - the "Latin of the World of
Islam".

Kant actually wrote most of his work in German. The
use of Latin was fading out in the course of his
life, and in Kant's case you only find it in the
earlier stuff.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 01 May�s 2007 Sal� 0:17
Subject: [tuning] Re: Donval Book

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't matter whether he was Turkish, Persian, Kurdish, or Arabic. It
> > doesn't even matter if he wrote all his life in the Arabic language.
> Just as
> > Kant - a Western intellectual of German background - wrote his
> academic
> > works in the scientific language of his time, which was Latin, so did
> > Urmevi, as an Abbasid Muslim and a scholar of the Islamic
> Civilization and
> > Culture, pen down his works in Arabic - the "Latin of the World of
> Islam".
>
> Kant actually wrote most of his work in German. The
> use of Latin was fading out in the course of his
> life, and in Kant's case you only find it in the
> earlier stuff.
>
>
>

An example a century too late then. Not surprising, with the rising of
nationalistic trends by the end of the 18th century CE. Still, the argument
stands.

Oz.