Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning From mohajeri To Reinhard

dear johhny

may be a piece for aerophones ( bassoon+clarinet+oboe+..... ) or vibraphone (i like it very much). how long it must be?
and when is the next festival?
The article about your polymicrotonality was one of my resources.

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web site?? ???? ????? ?????? <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Afmmjr@aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:52 PM
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: From mohajeri To Reinhard : RE: [tuning] Re: Has anyone read or revi

Hi Mohajeri!

I used a 16 note scale, which I have transcribed using cents notation as follows:

With C as 0 cents, and with each semitone serving as a basis for cents deviation:
C# +30
D +5
D# -15
Eb +38
E -5
F -15
F# +40
G +2
G# -10
G# +40
A +15
Bb -10
Bb +30
B -8

This scale played by virtuoso Dave Taylor on the bass trombone is juxtaposed with the Georgian traditional scale, also starting on the same C. The Perfect fifths is divided equally by 4 parts, while the upper perfect fourth is divided in 3 parts.

As for a piece to for a future AFMM concert performance, obviously tuning is not the issue (usually). Instrumentation might be the first level. What do you envision? We do have lots of possibilities. As you know, I am a bassoonist. I have wonderful wind and string players. Percussion might be tough as you are a virtuoso and it may be difficult to impart what you want to your satisfaction. What do you think?

Johnny Reinhard

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dear johhny

may be a piece for aerophones ( bassoon+clarinet+oboe+..... ) or vibraphone
(i like it very much). how long it must be?
and when is the next festival?
The article about your polymicrotonality was one of my resources.
=======================

The length is best around 10 minutes ( a little more, some less). Yes,
winds are quite flexible (the vibraphone, not). We have used 12-ET percussion in
a larger quartertone tuning, but I suspect you want a tuning similar to what
you have posted...or something new. Or, as with polymicrotonality, you
choose and match to your heart's content. Why not 5 or 6 different tunings? :)

Our concerts have settled into this time of year. Understandably, you will
need time to compose. If we got music (parts) soon after January 2008, we
can program for April or May of that year. It may be necessary to choose other
works based on your work, so I would try to imagine the power and effect of
your piece in context with other variables.

This will be exciting! best, Johnny

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🔗Mohajeri Shahin <shahinm@kayson-ir.com>

Hi dear johnny

i saw the videos of afmm2007 you sent me their links , what a trombone palys Dave Taylor , he palys story with his instrument(-;. i liked all the musics.
i'm working on 2 musics for wind instruments based on some modes of 24-edo:
1-i'm writing them in encore , but as it hasnt any microtonal accidentals , so i must see what to do.
2- may be i want to use different systems translated to 96-edo and accidentals i proposed based on 24-edo vaziri's accidentals.

best wishes for you

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web site?? ???? ????? ?????? <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Afmmjr@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:05 PM
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tuning] From mohajeri To Reinhard

dear johhny

The length is best around 10 minutes ( a little more, some less). Yes, winds are quite flexible (the vibraphone, not). We have used 12-ET percussion in a larger quartertone tuning, but I suspect you want a tuning similar to what you have posted...or something new. Or, as with polymicrotonality, you choose and match to your heart's content. Why not 5 or 6 different tunings? :)

Our concerts have settled into this time of year. Understandably, you will need time to compose. If we got music (parts) soon after January 2008, we can program for April or May of that year. It may be necessary to choose other works based on your work, so I would try to imagine the power and effect of your piece in context with other variables.

This will be exciting! best, Johnny

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🔗Mohajeri Shahin <shahinm@kayson-ir.com>

hi johnny
so if using numbers , i will go to 96-edo.

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web site?? ???? ????? ?????? <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Afmmjr@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:34 PM
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [tuning] From mohajeri To Reinhard

Dear Mohajeri,

Wonderful that you are working on the new piece. May I suggest for notation that you use cents notation. If the program does not do this, it can be done by hand. By using a quartersharp and and a quarterflat symbols, the number are plus or minus 49 cents (written above the noteheads, above the staff). Please, use any intervals you like. We will work to play them.

Dave Taylor was such a joy to work with. Thank you for your impressions.

Looking forward to your newest music, Johnny Reinhard

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I appreciate that using 96 edo is very convenient, but has it has all
the problems of 12 edo compounded.
If you want to produce harmonious edo music, I suggest that you go
for 88edo, and get the best of all worlds.

Charles Lucy lucy@lucytune.com

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On 28 May 2007, at 09:09, Mohajeri Shahin wrote:

>
> hi johnny
> so if using numbers , i will go to 96-edo.
>
>
> Shaahin Mohajeri
>
> Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer
>
> My web siteمهاجريوب سايت شاهين
>
> My farsi page in Harmonytalk صفحه اختصاصي در
> هارموني تاك
>
> Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia دردائره المعارف
> ويكي پدياشاهين مهاجري
>
>
>
> From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Afmmjr@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:34 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tuning] From mohajeri To Reinhard
>
> Dear Mohajeri,
>
> Wonderful that you are working on the new piece. May I suggest for
> notation that you use cents notation. If the program does not do
> this, it can be done by hand. By using a quartersharp and and a
> quarterflat symbols, the number are plus or minus 49 cents (written
> above the noteheads, above the staff). Please, use any intervals
> you like. We will work to play them.
>
> Dave Taylor was such a joy to work with. Thank you for your
> impressions.
>
> Looking forward to your newest music, Johnny Reinhard
>
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
>
>

🔗Mohajeri Shahin <shahinm@kayson-ir.com>

Hi charles

Thanks for your recomendation.But i have choosen 96 for:
1-good approximation of 5,7,11 and 13-limit ratios.
2-good melodic approximation for natural behavior of persian music.
3-divisions of quartertone up to 4.

maximum and minimum differences between 88 and 96 are 5.6818 and -5.6818 which are very near to JND of pitch perception.So , as to my meloharmonic taste which is affected by persian music, considering a boundary of +-5 cent for any degree of 96-EDO,88-EDO will be assimilated by 96-EDO.

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web siteوب سايت شاهين مهاجري <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk صفحه اختصاصي در هارموني تاك <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia شاهين مهاجري دردائره المعارف ويكي پديا <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Lucy
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:39 PM
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tuning] From mohajeri To Reinhard - unsolicited comment

I appreciate that using 96 edo is very convenient, but has it has all the problems of 12 edo compounded.
If you want to produce harmonious edo music, I suggest that you go for 88edo, and get the best of all worlds.

Charles Lucy lucy@lucytune.com <mailto:lucy@lucytune.com>

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On 28 May 2007, at 09:09, Mohajeri Shahin wrote:

hi johnny
so if using numbers , i will go to 96-edo.

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web siteمهاجريوب سايت شاهين <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk صفحه اختصاصي در هارموني تاك <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia دردائره المعارف ويكي پدياشاهين مهاجري <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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Dear Mohajeri,

Wonderful that you are working on the new piece. May I suggest for notation that you use cents notation. If the program does not do this, it can be done by hand. By using a quartersharp and and a quarterflat symbols, the number are plus or minus 49 cents (written above the noteheads, above the staff). Please, use any intervals you like. We will work to play them.

Dave Taylor was such a joy to work with. Thank you for your impressions.

Looking forward to your newest music, Johnny Reinhard

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I would prefer 72 over 96 any day.

Oz.

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From: "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@sbcglobal.net>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 28 Mayï¿½s 2007 Pazartesi 23:43
Subject: [tuning] Re: From mohajeri To Reinhard - unsolicited comment

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Mohajeri Shahin" <shahinm@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi charles
> >
> > Thanks for your recomendation.But i have choosen 96 for:
> > 1-good approximation of 5,7,11 and 13-limit ratios.
> > 2-good melodic approximation for natural behavior of persian music.
> > 3-divisions of quartertone up to 4.
>
> "Good" is a gross exaggeration. It's "good" in the sense that anything
> that size is "good", but it's not even 7-limit consistent and the 7 is
> about as bad as it can be for a division that fine. It will, of course,
> serve--because it *is* that fine. But only for that reason.
>
> In that size range, notable are 94 and 99. If you want divisibility by
> 12, 72 or possibly 84 are self-recommending.
>
>
>