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Schubert as five-limit (??)

🔗Joseph Pehrson <josephpehrson@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

12/18/1999 10:12:44 AM

What is it about Schubert?? Does anyone else have the reaction that
Schubert is the ultimate realization of five-limit music?? Or music,
however it's tuned, that takes us to the fifth harmonic partial of the
acoustical series??

Given this impression, Schubert is certainly a prime candidate for tuning
experiments -- the effect is bound to be immense. Who, exactly on the list
is doing this research and experimentation?? It is Ed Foote, or others as
well?... I would love to hear the results.

Regarding the guitar issue. Yes, it would be "most cool" if Schubert were
a guitarist, however I don't believe there is any direct evidence to this
effect. His training, according to Harold Schoenberg, was on piano and
violin. He did, of course, accompany voice with the piano during the
acclaimed "Schubertiads."

There is ample evidence, however, that Schubert actively DISLIKED the
piano, at least for composing, which is undoubtedly a reaction he shares
with Johnny Reinhard.

From Harold Schonberg's "The Lives of the Great Composers:

"Schubert was always short of cash, and never had enough even to rent a
piano, much less buy one. It made no difference, for he did not need a
piano for composition. HE SAID IT MADE HIM LOSE HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT [Ed.
emphasis]. If he needed a piano, he would go to a friend's house. Among
Schubert's closest friends were Schwind and Eduard von Bauerfield, and the
three of them formed a tiny communistic enclave in which there was no such
thing as private property... -- all was communal."

As far as his composing habits were concerned... it seems that Schubert
worked extremely rapidly and with a fairly regular schedule. (From
Schonberg):

"From about 9 in the morning (unless he was suffering from a hangover)
until 2 in the afternoon, he composed. Then he was on the town. Unless
invited somewhere to dinner, or to a party, he frequented the cafes..."

Ok, I am finally off list topic. Or am I (ha!!)

Excoriations, vituperations or illuminations welcome...

Joseph Pehrson

🔗Paul H. Erlich <PErlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx>

12/19/1999 2:47:58 PM

Joe Pehrson wrote,

>What is it about Schubert?? Does anyone else have the reaction that
>Schubert is the ultimate realization of five-limit music?? Or music,
>however it's tuned, that takes us to the fifth harmonic partial of the
>acoustical series??

Well, I love Schubert's late works, but I don't know if I'd call it "the
ultimate realization of five-limit music". I might call it "the ultimate
realization of five-limit music in a closed 12-tone system". Because many of
Schubert's practices, such as modulating through three consecutive major
thirds and ending up in the same place, depend intimately on having a closed
12-tone system. Few composers before him had this dependency in any
significant measure.