New music in father[8]

Yulegu Island at Twilight
http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/yulegu-twilight.mp3

I've gone back to a tuning that I've had some interest in previously, without a whole lot of success, the TOP tuning of father[8] (period = 1185.87 cents, generator = 447.39 cents). This is a particularly weird temperament because it uses the same interval for perfect fourths and major thirds! But I think I'm starting to get the hang of how to use it. I was going to do a bit of orchestration on the parts, but I liked how it comes out with just a plain single timbre, a kind of bell-ish sound done with some ring modulation and filtering in rgc:audio z3ta+, so I kept it that way.

Nice, Herman! I enjoyed the calm strangeness. Vaguely ethnic sounding
in spite of being synthetic. Good call on not 'orchestrating', but it
would be interesting nonetheless to hear how you might orchestrate,
since you a great at that.

Best,
Aaron.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>
> Yulegu Island at Twilight
> http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/yulegu-twilight.mp3
>
> I've gone back to a tuning that I've had some interest in previously,
> without a whole lot of success, the TOP tuning of father[8] (period =
> 1185.87 cents, generator = 447.39 cents). This is a particularly weird
> temperament because it uses the same interval for perfect fourths and
> major thirds! But I think I'm starting to get the hang of how to use
it.
> I was going to do a bit of orchestration on the parts, but I liked how
> it comes out with just a plain single timbre, a kind of bell-ish sound
> done with some ring modulation and filtering in rgc:audio z3ta+, so I
> kept it that way.
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>
> Yulegu Island at Twilight
> http://home.comcast.net/~teamouse/yulegu-twilight.mp3

Nice. Father's pretty far out there... a candidate in
my mind for adaptive JI or synthetic timbres. Still, nice.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:

> Nice. Father's pretty far out there... a candidate in
> my mind for adaptive JI or synthetic timbres. Still, nice.

What about a gamelan orchestra tuned to TOP father? It could be just
the thing.

Gene Ward Smith wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:
> >> Nice. Father's pretty far out there... a candidate in
>> my mind for adaptive JI or synthetic timbres. Still, nice.

Hmm, considering that the comma being tempered out is 111.7 cents, wouldn't adaptive JI ruin the effect? But careful choice of timbres is definitely a consideration in this temperament.

> What about a gamelan orchestra tuned to TOP father? It could be just > the thing.

TOP father is pretty far from any gamelan scales I know of, but it could be interesting to see how it turns out. The size of the steps is about right for a pelog scale, but the overall pattern doesn't fit. Bug[9] might be more appropriate, although TOP bug has just 1200-cent octaves, so some other tuning of bug might work better.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
> Gene Ward Smith wrote:

> > What about a gamelan orchestra tuned to TOP father? It could be
just
> > the thing.
>
> TOP father is pretty far from any gamelan scales I know of, but it
could
> be interesting to see how it turns out.

TOP father is detuned by an amount reasonable in gamelan terms,
however, isn't it? What I'm suggesting is that you start with a gamelan
orchestra, and then use it in a father way, including chord
progressions.

> The size of the steps is about
> right for a pelog scale, but the overall pattern doesn't fit. Bug[9]
> might be more appropriate, although TOP bug has just 1200-cent
octaves,
> so some other tuning of bug might work better.

What about TOP dicot or mavila, then? Nice sharp octaves.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>> Nice. Father's pretty far out there... a candidate in
>> my mind for adaptive JI or synthetic timbres. Still, nice.
>
> Hmm, considering that the comma being tempered out is 111.7 cents,
> wouldn't adaptive JI ruin the effect?

It would introduce comma shifts of at most the max error
of father[] over the consonances used. That would be an
effect I'd like to hear.

-Carl

Carl Lumma wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>>> Nice. Father's pretty far out there... a candidate in
>>> my mind for adaptive JI or synthetic timbres. Still, nice.
>> Hmm, considering that the comma being tempered out is 111.7 cents, >> wouldn't adaptive JI ruin the effect?
> > It would introduce comma shifts of at most the max error
> of father[] over the consonances used. That would be an
> effect I'd like to hear.

I think the errors would be large enough to be perceived as small steps in themselves. Unfortunately, while it's easy to set up any fixed tuning, adaptive JI isn't something I could do without a large amount of effort. I can provide an untuned MIDI file along with a Scala file for the tuning if you or anyone else wants to play around with retuning it (or hear what it sounds like with gamelan samples...)

http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/yulegu-twilight.mid
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/father8-top.scl
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/D62.kbm

If you retune the MIDI file with father8-top.scl and D62.kbm (to set the base note of the scale as D, MIDI note 62, at 293.6647679 Hz), you should end up with something like this:
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/yulegu-twilight-top-father8.mid

> > It would introduce comma shifts of at most the max error
> > of father[] over the consonances used. That would be an
> > effect I'd like to hear.
>
> I think the errors would be large enough to be perceived as
> small steps in themselves.

Yeah. It'd probably sound dope as hell!

> Unfortunately, while it's easy to set up any fixed
> tuning, adaptive JI isn't something I could do without a large
> amount of effort.

I know. :(

> http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/yulegu-twilight.mid
> http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/father8-top.scl
> http://www.io.com/~hmiller/midi/D62.kbm

I wonder if this is a job for Tonescape.

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:

> I wonder if this is a job for Tonescape.

It could also be an opportunity to test Scala's LT (linear temperament)
notation, which notates in terms of generators.