New French Book on the history of Tuning

This looks interesting for those who read French.

--john

Just released. A book on Acoustics and Music. For more details, please
go to this page still under construction :

http://serge.donval.free.fr

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The main, so far incomprehensible, claim is this:

"The author presents his own vision of just intervals, and points out
the failure of simple ratios theory which marked the history of
western music."

Mysterious, eh?

The author also seems to think that the 'circle of fifths' has been a
universal part of music theory since the very earliest times. Which is
odd, unless he has a totally different definition of a 'circle of
fifths' from me.

~~~T~~~

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "John H. Chalmers" <JHCHALMERS@...> wrote:
>
> This looks interesting for those who read French.
>
> --john
>
> Just released. A book on Acoustics and Music. For more details, please
> go to this page still under construction :
>
> http://serge.donval.free.fr
>
>
> --
>

Hi john

in http://serge.donval.free.fr/:

........... but the first micro-tonal scale in History was designed by Safi Addin in the 13th century.....
may be a great mistake!! so what about farabi and ibn-sina ? and what about tanbour of baghdad?

Shaahin Mohajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Microtonal Composer

My web site?? ???? ????? ?????? <http://240edo.googlepages.com/>

My farsi page in Harmonytalk ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? <http://www.harmonytalk.com/mohajeri>

Shaahin Mohajeri in Wikipedia ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaahin_mohajeri>

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Subject: [tuning] New French Book on the history of Tuning

This looks interesting for those who read French.

--john

Just released. A book on Acoustics and Music. For more details, please
go to this page still under construction :

http://serge.donval.free.fr <http://serge.donval.free.fr>

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I think the reference is to a scale with octave emphasized as the interval of equivalance.

Oz.
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Sent: 12 Şubat 2007 Pazartesi 9:34
Subject: RE: [tuning] New French Book on the history of Tuning

Hi john

in http://serge.donval.free.fr/:

........... but the first micro-tonal scale in History was designed by Safi Addin in the 13th century.....
may be a great mistake!! so what about farabi and ibn-sina ? and what about tanbour of baghdad?

Shaahin Mohajeri

In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Dent" <stringph@...> wrote:
"The author presents his own vision of just intervals, and points out
the failure of simple ratios theory which marked the history of western
music." Mysterious, eh?
Nothing mysterious. The simple ratios theory is wrong, I didn't speak
so in my book, I was very polite. The simple ratio theory is the result
of a huge confusion between :
* ratios with small numbers : 2/1, 3/2, 4/3, 5/3, 5/4, 6/5, 7/3, 7/4,
7/5, 8/3, 7/6
* and harmonics (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7….) brought into the span of an octave
by dividing several times by 2 : 2/1 (octave), 3/2 (dominant or
fifth), 5/4 (natural third), 7/4 (harmonic seventh), 9/8 (tone or major
second), 11/4 or 11/8 (middle of F and F*).
Some of these both series are identical, others are not used in Music
Theory, the only one which has paused a real problem for 15 centuries
is the fourth 4/3. It has been considered as consonant by several
ancient theorists, I have called this the "fourth paradox".

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "s_donval" <s_donval@...> wrote:

> Nothing mysterious. The simple ratios theory is wrong, I didn't speak
> so in my book, I was very polite.

From what you say in this posting, it doesn't seem what you are
calling "the simple ratio theory" has much to do with what I would
consider that to refer to. What, exactly, is this simple ratio theory
you claim is wrong?

> Some of these both series are identical, others are not used in Music
> Theory, the only one which has paused a real problem for 15 centuries
> is the fourth 4/3.

This is completely wrong. All simple ratios have been used in music
theory, and in musical practice, come to that. The fourth has
sometimes, in some times and places and in cultural contexts where
there is a well-defined notion of consonace, to be a consonant interval
and sometimes not.

>Ithas been considered as consonant by several
> ancient theorists, I have called this the "fourth paradox".

It's been considered to be a consonace by many theorists since then
also.