Another very short semantic question

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A friend has prompted my interest in the following semantic definition...
Can someone please help??

What is the difference between a "Newsgroup" and the Tuning List? Is the
List formally considered a newsgroup?? I remember newsgroups (on which I
had participated) like rec.music.compose and rec.music.classical. I don't
know if these still exist -- I was looking for them and was not finding
them...

Also someone suggested what seems to me the absurd idea that anything on a
Newsgroup can be considered "published." Has anyone else heard this wierd
contention?? Is there any logic to it??? I guess this could mean that
people could quote freely from anything "published" on a Newsgroup...

Wassup? Please advise,

Joseph Pehrson

Joseph
i think Newsgroups are full of spamming etc...
like hey buy our new poopmaster plus
with discounts only to newsgroup readers

Joseph Pehrson wrote:

> From: Joseph Pehrson <josephpehrson@compuserve.com>
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> Message text written by INTERNET:tuning@onelist.com
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>
> A friend has prompted my interest in the following semantic definition...
> Can someone please help??
>
> What is the difference between a "Newsgroup" and the Tuning List? Is the
> List formally considered a newsgroup?? I remember newsgroups (on which I
> had participated) like rec.music.compose and rec.music.classical. I don't
> know if these still exist -- I was looking for them and was not finding
> them...
>
> Also someone suggested what seems to me the absurd idea that anything on a
> Newsgroup can be considered "published." Has anyone else heard this wierd
> contention?? Is there any logic to it??? I guess this could mean that
> people could quote freely from anything "published" on a Newsgroup...
>
> Wassup? Please advise,
>
> Joseph Pehrson
>
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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Joseph Pehrson wrote:
> What is the difference between a "Newsgroup" and the Tuning List?

While in some ways newsgroups and mailing lists function in similar
fashion, there are other ways in which they are very different.

A newsgroup is like a worldwide bulletin board; once someone posts
something to their news server, that server then distributes it through
the network to all the other news servers in the world. Once the
messages are there, anyone can connect to their particular news server
with a news client and read them.

A mailing list is handled by a _single_ server. That server keeps a
list of people who are subscribed to the list, to whom messages are
distributed. Typically only subscribers can post to the list. The
subscriber sends a message to the list server, which then mails copies
of the message to everyone on the list.

> Is the
> List formally considered a newsgroup??

No.

> I remember newsgroups (on which I
> had participated) like rec.music.compose and rec.music.classical. I don't
> know if these still exist -- I was looking for them and was not finding
> them...

I'm quite sure they still exist--hang on a second--<checks>--yep, they
do.

> Also someone suggested what seems to me the absurd idea that anything on a
> Newsgroup can be considered "published." Has anyone else heard this wierd
> contention?? Is there any logic to it??? I guess this could mean that
> people could quote freely from anything "published" on a Newsgroup...

On the contrary, the point of "published" status--and as far as I know,
most people are considering both list and newsgroup distribution of a
message as publication--is that copyrights then apply. This is why it
is considered rude (to say the least) to repost someone else's message
in its entirety to a different list or group without their permission.
Quoting for the purpose of discussion or review, of course, falls under
"fair use".

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Patrick Pagano wrote:
> i think Newsgroups are full of spamming etc...
> like hey buy our new poopmaster plus
> with discounts only to newsgroup readers

Spammers used to attack lists too--it was very easy to subscribe to a
list, ask the server for a list of all subscribers, add them to a spam
database, and unsubscribe again. Now the subscription procedures for
most lists are a little more elaborate, and it's harder for spammers to
harvest addresses from servers.

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