Re: Riley and re: microtonal music list

>David Beardsley wrote:

>>
>>
>> I'm not even sure the Dervishes are in a tuning. I know that
>> Shri Camel is 7 limit.

Kraig Grady wrote,

>My understanding was the other way around but I'm missing Shri Camel
>somehow.

The jacket of Shri Camel is currently decorating my bathroom. The liner
notes clearly indicate a just tuning. Unfortunately the record is
missing. I don't have much patience for minimalism, though -- although
my mother calls a lot of my music minimalist! Perhaps the worst CD I own
is Tony Conrad's "Slapping Pythagoras" which I found in the
"progressive" bin in a NY record store. The entire CD is someone playing
a violin very screechily, making attempts to demonstrate various just
intervals. That's interesting enough from an educational standpoint but
it's not music.

From: "Paul H. Erlich" <PErlich@Acadian-Asset.com>

>The jacket of Shri Camel is currently decorating my bathroom. The liner

>notes clearly indicate a just tuning. Unfortunately the record is
>missing. I don't have much patience for minimalism, though -- although
>my mother calls a lot of my music minimalist! Perhaps the worst CD I
own
>is Tony Conrad's "Slapping Pythagoras" which I found in the
>"progressive" bin in a NY record store. The entire CD is someone
playing
>a violin very screechily, making attempts to demonstrate various just
>intervals. That's interesting enough from an educational standpoint but

>it's not music.

I hardly call Shri Camel "minimalism"!

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It seems that one very important person that is being overlooked is PHIL
NIBLOCK
Did Wolf leave him out. As far as the Tenney , there was some work
played by him at a Phil. Green umbrella Concert that was supposed to
microtonal. I felt as if I had been had, If it was there was no reason
for it to be. Then again the Old (Avant garde) Wine in new (microtonal)
bottles hits me as a one of the worst direction one can take. These new
intervals by it very nature produce a new music, something Riley has
Also expressed!
-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
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From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>

>It seems that one very important person that is being overlooked is
PHIL
>NIBLOCK

Phill has a few cd's out on Experimental Intermedia. His music
is best experienced live. But then, a lot of music is like that.

>Did Wolf leave him out. As far as the Tenney , there was some work
>played by him at a Phil. Green umbrella Concert that was supposed to
>microtonal. I felt as if I had been had, If it was there was no reason
>for it to be.

Why did you feel like it didn't have to be microtonal?

>Then again the Old (Avant garde) Wine in new (microtonal)

So it was the style of music?

>bottles hits me as a one of the worst direction one can take. These new

>intervals by it very nature produce a new music, something Riley has
>Also expressed!

Do you remember what the piece was?

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David Beardsley wrote:

> From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
>
> From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>
>
> >It seems that one very important person that is being overlooked is
> PHIL
> >NIBLOCK
>
> Phill has a few cd's out on Experimental Intermedia. His music
> is best experienced live. But then, a lot of music is like that.

I like Niblock alot. I never heard him live which I would like too. No one
had mentioned him so I wanted to give him a plug. He stand Equal to many
that have recently been mentioned!

>
> >Did Wolf leave him out. As far as the Tenney , there was some work
> >played by him at a Phil. Green umbrella Concert that was supposed to
> >microtonal. I felt as if I had been had, If it was there was no reason
> >for it to be.
>
> Why did you feel like it didn't have to be microtonal?

There was nothing about it that tuning added anything. No new sonorities of
merit or new structural possibilities that could be heard. The last
movement had a improvised trumpet solo if that helps with identifying the
piece. He used a vibraphone somehow which didn't make sense at the time.If
you used these same instruments in an atonal context they wouldn't play in
12ET anyway so if they played "other"pitches they weren't any different.
Honestly He has never done anything for me even over hearing his music over
years. Cold. At best they work best in a group of his pieces, on their own
it kind like Bruckner in a shorter period of time in the sense of motion
that doesn't add up.I should maybe learn to be as brief as Carl. sucks

>
>
> >Then again the Old (Avant garde) Wine in new (microtonal)
>
> So it was the style of music?

"I didn't hear any style at all!"

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
www.anaphoria.com