Re: Ives 1/8th Tones

Joe Monzo has pointed out the 1/8th tone dimension interest held by Ives.
And they are certainly interesting from a theoretical point of view, though
they were used VERY sparingly by the composer.

Firstly, thank you Joe, VERY much for correcting the note/pitch deviations
that I had posted. Your analysis was correct with the numbers by Ives
indicating semitiones and halves of semitiones (for the 1/8th tones).

I have heard that there is a page of 1/8th tone scale calculations in the
folder with the original manuscripts of the "Three Quarter Tone Pieces" for 2
pianos. Must follow up. And the Belamann letter. Of course.

Most interesting to me is the discussion of 48-TET by Ives in terms of
non-octaves or other intervals that would suggest octave equivalence. It's
almost like the set theory I learned out of John Rahn's Atonality (where one
avoids perfect fifths because they suggest tonal heirarchiy too strongly).

I don't know why, Joe, you are surprised by the double ententre (consider or
reconsider) regarding the transcendentalism and its implications in the
tuning. It is perhaps transcendentalism than microtonalizes Ives's thinking.
(Hmnnn.)

And will someone please figure out what a 261/712 is (Monz)? Ives mentions
it as an uneven interval. Is he right?

Johnny Reinhard
AFMM

>From: Afmmjr@aol.com

>And will someone please figure out what a 261/712 is (Monz)? Ives mentions
>it as an uneven interval. Is he right?

261/712 = 9(29)/8(89)