The Tuning Punks

I have set up a page on mp3.com for The Tuning Punks. If you would like to
post your mp3 files there please send as an attachment to

jstarret@carbon.cudenver.edu

along with a .jpg of your album cover or other appropriate art (the
default is my no12root2 logo if you don't send the jpg) and a description
of your music.
I welcome any suggestions for improvement of the page. I think on
a page like this it is totally appropriate to post not only new music, but
retunings of public domain music as well as examples of tunings, scales,
chord progressions and any other educational material. I am in agreement
with Kraig on reworking of the material of others here, and ask that any
performance that does not conform to the instructions of the composer be
labelled as such, for instance, "Batman Theme, retuned to 65 limit scale"
rather than "Batman Theme", and that we be extremely careful in submitting
works by composers like Partch who have gone out of their way to make
clear their performance preferences. That said, have fun.

John Starrett
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html

> John Starrett <jstarret@math.cudenver.edu> ...
> I have set up a page on mp3.com for The Tuning Punks. If
> you would like to post your mp3 files there please send
> as an attachment to

Does anyone out there know where I could get any share-ware or free-ware
that can produce mp3 files from ".WAV" files on Windows95/98 or NT? It's
easy to make WAVes... Maybe I'm just disconnected, but it seems not so easy
to make MP3s.

Thanks,
Rick

Of course all copyrights must be respected. In addition, mp3.com requires
the .mp3 file be in a strict format, which, luckily, is the default format
on most mp3 recorders (128 kbps, 44.1 mHz, stereo). It can take up to
four days for mp3.com to approve of any submission (they censor racist
and vulgar language, bad encoding and copyright infringement) and up to 2
days for me to post any submissions. The Tuning Punks are in the
world/folk world fusion section, but the best way to go is to search for
The Tuning Punks at www.mp3.com. As of this post the site is not
activated, but I will keep you informed.

John Starrett
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html

->From: Rick McGowan <rmcgowan@apple.com>
>Does anyone out there know where I could get any share-ware or free-ware
>that can produce mp3 files from ".WAV" files on Windows95/98 or NT? It's
>easy to make WAVes... Maybe I'm just disconnected, but it seems not so
easy
>to make MP3s.

Rick-

Go to mp3.com, click on software. There are messes of programs available,
but many are shareware or demos. There is a good freeware encoder called
"MPEG Suite" that I got via there that seems to work fine. If you're
thinking of putting it up at mp3.com you have to set the encoder for 128kps,
layer III and encode a 44khz wav file. Also use the "joint stereo" setting
to maximize quality.

dante

I also am in the process of putting up a page at mp3.com. I stuck mine in
Alternative/experimental, but I cant figure out where it should really go.
So I emailed them to suggest creating a microtonal subcatagory under
classical. (or maybe under Alternative? take a look at the catagories and
subcatagories at mp3.com and see where you think it could go) I mentioned
Prent Rodgers page and Johns new "Tuning Punks" page as others that would
potentially fit in this catagory. I will let youall know if I hear back from
them and if they do make this a new catagory.

dante

In-Reply-To: <944806007.15916@onelist.com>
I have a piece of music entitled "fuckfeedback" which some of you may
remember from the tape swap, and I would like to submit for this new
project. It can be played by either a WaveBlaster or AWE64 with
sufficient RAM. Unfortunately, I have neither of these to hand. If
anybody would like to record the MP3 for me I can send the MIDI file and,
if necessary, SoundFont.

It has to be one of these synthesizers, because it depends critically on
the patches and effects. Although, if anybody wants to produce their own
version, I'll happily submit the MIDI file for that as well. It may even
be a candidate for adaptive tuning.

Oh, and as

>they censor racist
>and vulgar language, bad encoding and copyright infringement

the title would have to be changed, but that's okay.

If there's going to be a "microtonal" category let it not be under
classical. If I got my own page, it would probably be under Drum & Bass,
but I have to write the music first :)

I have added a new piece by Herman Miller and two pieces by Jay WIlliams
to the site.

John Starrett
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtonal.html

Paul Erlich wrote,

<< isn't it time to start a Tuning Punks 2 page (this one is getting
kinda long and disorganized) . . . >>

Yeah, you know I was recently hyping The Tuning Punks over on another
BB and this very relevant exchange occurred...

I wrote,

"I just wanted to take a minute to mention The Tuning Punks site here
at mp3.com.

This site is a freewheeling collection of music that focus exclusively
on alternative tunings -- i.e., microtonality.

The idea for this site grew out of the many discussions at the 400
plus member Alternate Tunings Mailing List, and was eventually
realized by John Starrett.

The Tuning Punks site has over 70 pieces at last count by many diverse
folks, making it one of the largest online archives of microtonal
music that's out there... and if these folks often can't agree on much
of anything save the cause -- alternate tunings -- well, I think this
is really part of the beauty of this sort of a modern-day internet
collective... so with the words of Brecht and Eisler's "Song Of The
United Front" ringing in my head, tune on in and check it out I say,
'cause that's the place for you!"

and Steve Layton replied,

"You know, I was thinking that maybe you should mention the
possibility to the guy who does the page, that he might think about
breaking it up into a few smaller pages, maybe grouped by some
stylistic similarities. Purely as a practical matter; when a page gets
to be that size on here, it is tough for anyone on a slower
connection, except the most committed listener, to wait for the page
to load; and every time you click off and then back, the waiting
happens all over again. Just a thought... It is one of the true gems
on this place, or on the whole web, for that matter..."

--Dan Stearns

The three tuning punks stations are finally on the air at

www.mp3.com/stations/tuning_punks_a-i
www.mp3.com/stations/tuning_punks_j-r
www.mp3.com/stations/tuning_punks_s-z

Loads much faster than the regular punks (much more than
three times as fast).

--
John Starrett
"We have nothing to fear but the scary stuff."
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html

Hi John,

This works well for sure, loads much faster that is, but one of the
problems in mp3.com land is that you can't link stations, only artist
pages... so no one can really pass the word on this expedient way to
hear all the Tuning Punks in the usual mp3.com circles... in other
words, it's only better for those of us that know these stations are
there and not in the more general hyperlink mp3.com sense.

--Dan Stearns

--- In tuning@egroups.com, "D.Stearns" <STEARNS@C...> wrote:

http://www.egroups.com/message/tuning/17258

> Hi John,
>
> This works well for sure, loads much faster that is, but one of the
> problems in mp3.com land is that you can't link stations, only
artist
> pages... so no one can really pass the word on this expedient way to
> hear all the Tuning Punks in the usual mp3.com circles... in other
> words, it's only better for those of us that know these stations are
> there and not in the more general hyperlink mp3.com sense.
>
> --Dan Stearns

I think, eventually, John may have to divide up the MAIN Tuning Punks
pages, say TUNING PUNKS ONE, TUNING PUNKS TWO, etc. (Forget the
"the"... it's been a problem)

Regardless of the kind, and number of stations he wants to us in
conjunction with this...

Just a thought.

________ ______ ______ ___
Joseph Pehrson

On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:24:40 -0800, "D.Stearns" <STEARNS@CAPECOD.NET> wrote:

>Hi John,
>
>This works well for sure, loads much faster that is, but one of the
>problems in mp3.com land is that you can't link stations, only artist
>pages... so no one can really pass the word on this expedient way to
>hear all the Tuning Punks in the usual mp3.com circles... in other
>words, it's only better for those of us that know these stations are
>there and not in the more general hyperlink mp3.com sense.

Hmm... I don't have any problems linking to the station, either following
the http://www.mp3.com/stations/tuning_punks_j-r/ link or linking to
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/141/tuning_punks_j-r.html directly.
Should I change my link to point back to the main Tuning Punks page?

--
see my music page ---> ---<http://www.io.com/~hmiller/music/music.html>--
hmiller (Herman Miller) "If all Printers were determin'd not to print any
@io.com email password: thing till they were sure it would offend no body,
\ "Subject: teamouse" / there would be very little printed." -Ben Franklin

Herman Miller wrote,

<< I don't have any problems linking to the station, >>

Right. I meant other mp3.com folks with artists pages. So in other
words, you can't hyperlink stations from the link portion of your
artist page, and this is one of the only real ways to spread the word
and effectively network in the mp3.com format.

--Dan Stearns

I would like to thank you all for your contributions to the Tuning
Punks page http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/72/the_tuning_punks.html. I
hadn't paid much attention to the page for the last couple of months,
and when I logged in I noticed that two of Paul Erlich's pieces were
gone, and Herman Miller's "Warped Canon" needed final approval. Who
knows what else has happened! I apologize if I spaced out a piece I
had promised to post, but I need to know from any of you if something
you sent me has yet to appear. If so, please write me, and attach the
piece, if possible.

John Starrett