Re: changes in intervallic pattern : RE: [tuning] Some 12 Mappable

Hi Gene,

> From my point of view these are very different things. Hexanies and
eikosanies are JI, and 11 explores a system of subgroup-type harmony,
in effect, I think. 7 strikes me as a boring alternative to the
diatonic scale, and 13 is weird.

Yes of course, I meant them as an example of a wide variety of different
scales that need a completely different approach. Also indeed
various traditional musics like Indian music.

Yes I agree that 13 is pretty weird, and seems to work better with
some timbres than with others, more timbre dependent than
many tunings. I am fond of 7-et myself, and think perhaps
it is one of those where you can approach it with a different
mind set and then maybe it will work .

> 53 is a schismatic system and not suitable for common practice music.
It would be great for medieval music, though.

Rightio, thanks for the correction.

> > So anyway, yes I think 17-et is a very lyrical tuning (amongst
others) and some time it would be nice to really explore it and try
and bring out what I feel seems to come across when improvising in it.

> Is it lyrical in a sense 19, say, isn't? They don't sound the same,
certainly.

Yes I'd say so, I don't want to say anyone else is wrong if
they think it is the other way around or whatever. The small
semitone of just the right size may be partly to do with it as
George says in his paper. Maybe it depends on how one feels
about that or something, I'm not very analytical about such
things myself so can't answer easily if asked what
it is that makes it feel so lyrical.

It is lyrical in a tender soaring way I feel.
Other tunings are lyrical in their own ways.

If this is right, and there is anything to this
feeling of lyricism to the tuning that some
17-et enthusiasts have, maybe someone
some day will be inspired to write something
really overwhelmingly lyrical in 17-et and then
we will all hear what its real potential is.

I'm sure there are lots of tunings that await
appropriate pieces to be written for them before
we can really appreciate their true potential
:-).

Robert

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Robert walker" <robertwalker@...> wrote:

> I'm sure there are lots of tunings that await
> appropriate pieces to be written for them before
> we can really appreciate their true potential
> :-).

Speaking of 17 note scales, the convex closure of the 7-limit dimond in
the breed plane, tuned to 130-et, is getting a tryout in my next piece,
along with various other scales. Quite an interesting scale, though the
step sizes are a long way from being equal.