"Le Greygnour Bien" by Matteo de Perugia in "Peppermint"

Hi,

I wanted to use the Early Patches soundfonts I purchased a while back to
illustrate some medieval polyphony. No better example than medieval music at
its most dizzyingly complex and intellectual--"Le Greygnour Bien" by Matteo
De Perugia.

In honor of Margo Schulter, our resident neo-Medieval expert and connoisseur
Alpha, I tuned it to a 12-note "Peppermint" temperament (named by Margo in
honor of Keenan Pepper, who first suggested it). It is a chain of ~704.082
cent 5ths. Why ~704.082? It is a 5th arrived at by a Fibonacci sequence of
n-tets: 5,12,17,29,46,75....

Here's my final result:

http://www.akjmusic.com/audio/greygnour.ogg

NOTES ON THE REALIZATION:
__________________________

The original MIDI file I was _going_ to use was the Gary Rich's Ars Subtilior
'homepage' version, but it really seemed damaged....the page is
http://www.pacificnet.net/~garyrich/subtilior/

No good.

So, the better one I found, by Googling, was Japanese, by someone N.Nakamura,
and I found it on a great page of Medieval MIDIs at:
http://maucamedus.net/midi-index-e.html

The original MIDI file
http://maucamedus.net/midi/matteo01.mid

In my modified MIDI file, panning, volume, and patches were changed; the
tuning was changed by means of a timidity tuning table....

____________________________________

Tools used:

***Early Patches soundfonts for 2 of the 3 instruments (the Shawm by Moulder,
and the Shawm by Richter; these are the bright nasal instruments in the left
and center of the stereo field), and the Unison soundfont for the trombone in
the right channel

***Timidity++ (command line: timidity -Ow -Z pepr_12.tbl greygnour.mid)
(you won't find a 12 note version of peppermint in the Scala archives, I made
my own)

***mf2t/t2mf (midi file to text, text file to midi for quick editing of things
like panning and volume without having to load a large sequencer app...)

***oggenc (for .wav to .ogg, used the default -q 3 (quality), which seemed
sufficient to my ears

unessential but interesting info:

***Slackware Linux-10.2 with the 2.6.13 kernel version, a low-latency audio
workstation running the KDE-3.4.2 desktop.

Enjoy!

Best,
Aaron.

Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I wanted to use the Early Patches soundfonts I purchased a while back to
> illustrate some medieval polyphony. No better example than medieval music > at
> its most dizzyingly complex and intellectual--"Le Greygnour Bien" by > Matteo
> De Perugia.
>
> In honor of Margo Schulter, our resident neo-Medieval expert and > connoisseur
> Alpha, I tuned it to a 12-note "Peppermint" temperament (named by Margo in
> honor of Keenan Pepper, who first suggested it). It is a chain of ~704.082
> cent 5ths. Why ~704.082? It is a 5th arrived at by a Fibonacci sequence of
> n-tets: 5,12,17,29,46,75....

Hmm, I did my own calculation and got a generator of 704.09560655084532 cents. But close enough, unless you really want a scale with hundreds of pitches in an octave.

> Here's my final result:
>
> http://www.akjmusic.com/audio/greygnour.ogg

Sounds good, and I like the soundfont.

~Danny~

A most worthy arrangement. I liked it!

Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@akjmusic.com>
To: <MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com>; <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 27 Haziran 2006 Sal� 7:11
Subject: [tuning] "Le Greygnour Bien" by Matteo de Perugia in "Peppermint"

>
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to use the Early Patches soundfonts I purchased a while back to
> illustrate some medieval polyphony. No better example than medieval music
at
> its most dizzyingly complex and intellectual--"Le Greygnour Bien" by
Matteo
> De Perugia.
>
> In honor of Margo Schulter, our resident neo-Medieval expert and
connoisseur
> Alpha, I tuned it to a 12-note "Peppermint" temperament (named by Margo in
> honor of Keenan Pepper, who first suggested it). It is a chain of ~704.082
> cent 5ths. Why ~704.082? It is a 5th arrived at by a Fibonacci sequence of
> n-tets: 5,12,17,29,46,75....
>
> Here's my final result:
>
> http://www.akjmusic.com/audio/greygnour.ogg
>
> NOTES ON THE REALIZATION:
> __________________________
>
> The original MIDI file I was _going_ to use was the Gary Rich's Ars
Subtilior
> 'homepage' version, but it really seemed damaged....the page is
> http://www.pacificnet.net/~garyrich/subtilior/
>
> No good.
>
> So, the better one I found, by Googling, was Japanese, by someone
N.Nakamura,
> and I found it on a great page of Medieval MIDIs at:
> http://maucamedus.net/midi-index-e.html
>
> The original MIDI file
> http://maucamedus.net/midi/matteo01.mid
>
> In my modified MIDI file, panning, volume, and patches were changed; the
> tuning was changed by means of a timidity tuning table....
>
> ____________________________________
>
> Tools used:
>
> ***Early Patches soundfonts for 2 of the 3 instruments (the Shawm by
Moulder,
> and the Shawm by Richter; these are the bright nasal instruments in the
left
> and center of the stereo field), and the Unison soundfont for the trombone
in
> the right channel
>
> ***Timidity++ (command line: timidity -Ow -Z pepr_12.tbl greygnour.mid)
> (you won't find a 12 note version of peppermint in the Scala archives, I
made
> my own)
>
> ***mf2t/t2mf (midi file to text, text file to midi for quick editing of
things
> like panning and volume without having to load a large sequencer app...)
>
> ***oggenc (for .wav to .ogg, used the default -q 3 (quality), which seemed
> sufficient to my ears
>
> unessential but interesting info:
>
> ***Slackware Linux-10.2 with the 2.6.13 kernel version, a low-latency
audio
> workstation running the KDE-3.4.2 desktop.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Best,
> Aaron.
>

On Tuesday 27 June 2006 3:46 am, Daniel A. Wier wrote:
> Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I wanted to use the Early Patches soundfonts I purchased a while back to
> > illustrate some medieval polyphony. No better example than medieval music
> > at
> > its most dizzyingly complex and intellectual--"Le Greygnour Bien" by
> > Matteo
> > De Perugia.
> >
> > In honor of Margo Schulter, our resident neo-Medieval expert and
> > connoisseur
> > Alpha, I tuned it to a 12-note "Peppermint" temperament (named by Margo
> > in honor of Keenan Pepper, who first suggested it). It is a chain of
> > ~704.082 cent 5ths. Why ~704.082? It is a 5th arrived at by a Fibonacci
> > sequence of n-tets: 5,12,17,29,46,75....
>
> Hmm, I did my own calculation and got a generator of 704.09560655084532
> cents. But close enough, unless you really want a scale with hundreds of
> pitches in an octave.

true...I used the approximation of 196-tet if i remember correctly...so your
figure is way more correct....mine is close enough for neo-medieval, though!

> > Here's my final result:
> >
> > http://www.akjmusic.com/audio/greygnour.ogg
>
> Sounds good, and I like the soundfont.

thanks!

>
> ~Danny~
>
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Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:

> On Tuesday 27 June 2006 3:46 am, Daniel A. Wier wrote:

>> > In honor of Margo Schulter, our resident neo-Medieval expert and
>> > connoisseur
>> > Alpha, I tuned it to a 12-note "Peppermint" temperament (named by Margo
>> > in honor of Keenan Pepper, who first suggested it). It is a chain of
>> > ~704.082 cent 5ths. Why ~704.082? It is a 5th arrived at by a Fibonacci
>> > sequence of n-tets: 5,12,17,29,46,75....
>>
>> Hmm, I did my own calculation and got a generator of 704.09560655084532
>> cents. But close enough, unless you really want a scale with hundreds of
>> pitches in an octave.
>
> true...I used the approximation of 196-tet if i remember correctly...so > your
> figure is way more correct....mine is close enough for neo-medieval, > though!

I used 225,301,549-TET; the fifth is 132,194,859 steps. This is close enough for an obsessive math geek.

And 150,649,789-TET (fifth = 87,403,803) is your Golden Meantone.

~Danny~

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel A. Wier" <dawiertx@...> wrote:

> I used 225,301,549-TET; the fifth is 132,194,859 steps. This is
close enough
> for an obsessive math geek.

A really obsessive geek would have used (67+sqrt(5))/118. :)

Of course in practice we might have to settle for a 115359 fifth in
the MTS 196608-et tuning.

Gene Ward Smith wrote:

>> I used 225,301,549-TET; the fifth is 132,194,859 steps. This is
> close enough
>> for an obsessive math geek.
>
> A really obsessive geek would have used (67+sqrt(5))/118. :)

That's true, I couldn't remember the formula for the limit of the Fibonacci series. I Googled but couldn't find it. I did remember phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2.

~D.

On Tuesday 27 June 2006 7:38 am, Ozan Yarman wrote:
> A most worthy arrangement. I liked it!
>
> Oz.

Why thank you, Ozan!

I plan to do s'more of these medieval MIDI arrangements--they interest me,
especially with using Early Patches and some xentonal neo-medieval tunings
ala Margo Schulter...

Best,
Aaron.

Keep up the good work there!

BTW, congratulations with the kiddo. Allah bless.

Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@akjmusic.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 28 Haziran 2006 �ar�amba 16:56
Subject: Re: [tuning] "Le Greygnour Bien" by Matteo de Perugia in
"Peppermint"

> On Tuesday 27 June 2006 7:38 am, Ozan Yarman wrote:
> > A most worthy arrangement. I liked it!
> >
> > Oz.
>
> Why thank you, Ozan!
>
> I plan to do s'more of these medieval MIDI arrangements--they interest me,
> especially with using Early Patches and some xentonal neo-medieval tunings
> ala Margo Schulter...
>
> Best,
> Aaron.
>
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> Keep up the good work there!
>
> BTW, congratulations with the kiddo. Allah bless.

You are most gracious, thank you!

-A.