Funny meantone scale

I doubt anyone has seen this one before, but if anyone has it would be
interesting to hear of it. This scale is strictly proper in meantone:

C Db E Fb G Ab Bb

Of course in 12-et it is unplayable.

Gene Ward Smith wrote:

> I doubt anyone has seen this one before, but if anyone has it would be
> interesting to hear of it. This scale is strictly proper in meantone:
>
> C Db E Fb G Ab Bb
>
> Of course in 12-et it is unplayable.

Were it not for it being in meantone, that would be Maqam Saba Zamzam (Saba with a minor second instead of a neutral second), which also has either a C-natural or C-flat on top; in the latter case, it would extend to a minor tenth using a Hijaz tetrachord: Bb Cb D Eb.

Saba just happens to be one of my favorite maqamat. Diminished fourths and octaves do something for me.

~Danny~

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel A. Wier" <dawiertx@...> wrote:

> > C Db E Fb G Ab Bb
> >
> > Of course in 12-et it is unplayable.
>
> Were it not for it being in meantone, that would be Maqam Saba
Zamzam (Saba
> with a minor second instead of a neutral second), which also has
either a
> C-natural or C-flat on top; in the latter case, it would extend to a
minor
> tenth using a Hijaz tetrachord: Bb Cb D Eb.

According to this site:

http://www.maqamworld.com/maqamat/saba.html

Saba Zamzam goes C Db Eb Fb G Ab Bb. That has Eb rather than E, so it
isn't getting into enharmonic equivalencies in 12-et. If one sticks to
24-et, there's no way to express the scale I gave.

Gene Ward Smith wrote:

>> Were it not for it being in meantone, that would be Maqam Saba
> Zamzam (Saba
>> with a minor second instead of a neutral second), which also has
> either a
>> C-natural or C-flat on top; in the latter case, it would extend to a
> minor
>> tenth using a Hijaz tetrachord: Bb Cb D Eb.
>
> According to this site:
>
> http://www.maqamworld.com/maqamat/saba.html
>
> Saba Zamzam goes C Db Eb Fb G Ab Bb. That has Eb rather than E, so it
> isn't getting into enharmonic equivalencies in 12-et. If one sticks to
> 24-et, there's no way to express the scale I gave.

Ack, remind me not to do e-mail at 4:30 in the morning when I haven't slept enough. I was not expecting E and Fb together in the same scale. Obviously that would have to be meantone or JI.

I do remember a Major Locrian now that J. Smith reminded us.

~Danny~

Glad you corrected that statement in the following message Danny.
`Saba-Zamzama` is a `Terkib` which is practically a Saba maqam that ends
with a Kurdi melodic suffix.

And yes, it is my favourite too!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel A. Wier" <dawiertx@sbcglobal.net>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 10 Haziran 2006 Cumartesi 13:37
Subject: Re: [tuning] Funny meantone scale

Gene Ward Smith wrote:

> I doubt anyone has seen this one before, but if anyone has it would be
> interesting to hear of it. This scale is strictly proper in meantone:
>
> C Db E Fb G Ab Bb
>
> Of course in 12-et it is unplayable.

Were it not for it being in meantone, that would be Maqam Saba Zamzam (Saba
with a minor second instead of a neutral second), which also has either a
C-natural or C-flat on top; in the latter case, it would extend to a minor
tenth using a Hijaz tetrachord: Bb Cb D Eb.

Saba just happens to be one of my favorite maqamat. Diminished fourths and
octaves do something for me.

~Danny~