Disgraceful

http://www.zeryab.com

Access to this site has been forbidden by court ruling! It contained exciting Maqam Music samples which I referred to occasionally in order to demonstrate my perspective.

Disgraceful... Such an outrage!

Ozan Yarman wrote:
> http://www.zeryab.com
> > Access to this site has been forbidden by court ruling! At least from outside Turkey, it still works. I'm listening to Sibel Can and took a close look at some of the sheet music they have there. Bookmarked!

klaus

How I envy the liberties you enjoy!

----- Original Message -----
From: "klaus schmirler" <KSchmir@online.de>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 01 Haziran 2006 Per�embe 1:05
Subject: Re: [tuning] Disgraceful

> Ozan Yarman wrote:
> > http://www.zeryab.com
> >
> > Access to this site has been forbidden by court ruling!
>
> At least from outside Turkey, it still works. I'm listening to Sibel Can
> and took a close look at some of the sheet music they have there.
> Bookmarked!
>
> klaus
>
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> How I envy the liberties you enjoy!

If it was a lawsuit in Turkey and they shut it down in Turkey
and left it running elsewhere (it works here), that's pretty
generous. Today, lawsuits in my country (the US) shutdown a
website in Sweden for the whole world (indirectly, but still).
And last year, our FBI seized servers in the UK beloning to a
US non-profit organization called Indymedia.

-Carl

Abolish the state, and everything will turn out to be better.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Lumma" <clumma@yahoo.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 01 Haziran 2006 Per�embe 2:45
Subject: [tuning] Re: Disgraceful

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> How I envy the liberties you enjoy!

If it was a lawsuit in Turkey and they shut it down in Turkey
and left it running elsewhere (it works here), that's pretty
generous. Today, lawsuits in my country (the US) shutdown a
website in Sweden for the whole world (indirectly, but still).
And last year, our FBI seized servers in the UK beloning to a
US non-profit organization called Indymedia.

-Carl

Ozan wrote,

> http://www.zeryab.com
>
> Access to this site has been forbidden by court ruling! It contained > exciting Maqam Music samples which I referred to occasionally in order to > > demonstrate my perspective.
>
> Disgraceful... Such an outrage!

What was the reason the website was blocked? My knowledge of Arabic is limited, but I don't see anything promoting religious or political extremism; it looks like just a music site.

... unless there are copyrighted works being distributed illegally maybe? Our government here in the US has been cracking down on that sort of thing a lot lately.

I'm looking at the pages on Hay Tuch right now.

~Danny~

Daniel A. Wier wrote:
> Ozan wrote,
> > >>http://www.zeryab.com
>>
>>Access to this site has been forbidden by court ruling! It contained >>exciting Maqam Music samples which I referred to occasionally in order to >> > demonstrate my perspective.
>>
>>Disgraceful... Such an outrage!
> > > What was the reason the website was blocked? My knowledge of Arabic is > limited, but I don't see anything promoting religious or political > extremism; it looks like just a music site.

Right. It is in English:

http://www.zeryab.com/E/index.htm

And I can reach it, so it can't be as subversive as Wikipedia or The Wilson Archive.

Graham

Graham Breed wrote:

> > What was the reason the website was blocked? My knowledge of Arabic is
> > limited, but I don't see anything promoting religious or political
> > extremism; it looks like just a music site.
>
> Right. It is in English:
>
> http://www.zeryab.com/E/index.htm
>
> And I can reach it, so it can't be as subversive as Wikipedia or The
> Wilson Archive.

Some of it is in Arabic only. I do know some Arabic, fortunately (for me at least), so I can fumble my way around the site.

After browsing some more, I think now it has to do with copyright issues. I recognized some current Turkish singers among the mp3s (http://www.zeryab.com/E/Turkish_Songs.htm). Except I don't know how record companies are in Turkey, if they're as uptight as they are here.

But thanks again, Ozan, for posting the link. Sorry you can't listen to them anymore.

~Danny~

You may be able to find a free proxy server outside your country that would
permit you access to this site. Alternately you might even try running it
through BabelFish (which effectively acts like a proxy) and get translation
at the same time.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

I've googled to find proxy servers when my direct connection to a site
wasn't working and I've had some success. Here is a list of free proxy
servers.

http://www.proxy4free.com/page1.html

Reliability/availability of servers on this list is more than a little iffy
in my experience, but it might be worth a try.

-Kurt

on 5/31/06 4:58 PM, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com> wrote:

> Abolish the state, and everything will turn out to be better.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Lumma" <clumma@yahoo.com>
> To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: 01 Haziran 2006 Pers¸embe 2:45
> Subject: [tuning] Re: Disgraceful
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>>
>> How I envy the liberties you enjoy!
>
> If it was a lawsuit in Turkey and they shut it down in Turkey
> and left it running elsewhere (it works here), that's pretty
> generous. Today, lawsuits in my country (the US) shutdown a
> website in Sweden for the whole world (indirectly, but still).
> And last year, our FBI seized servers in the UK beloning to a
> US non-profit organization called Indymedia.
>
> -Carl
>
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel A. Wier" <dawiertx@...> wrote:
>
> Ozan wrote,
>
> > http://www.zeryab.com
> >
> > Access to this site has been forbidden by court ruling! It
contained
> > exciting Maqam Music samples which I referred to occasionally in
order to
> > > demonstrate my perspective.
> >
> > Disgraceful... Such an outrage!
>
> What was the reason the website was blocked? My knowledge of
Arabic is
> limited, but I don't see anything promoting religious or political
> extremism; it looks like just a music site.
>
> ... unless there are copyrighted works being distributed illegally
maybe?
> Our government here in the US has been cracking down on that sort
of thing a
> lot lately.
>
> I'm looking at the pages on Hay Tuch right now.
>
> ~Danny~
>

From _The Turkish "Makam" System in
Contemporary Theory and Practice_, Ph.D.
dissertation by Karl Lloyd Signell (1973), p. 16:

"Besides Western music, the programs of Radio
Istanbul include all genres of Turkish Music
mentioned above -- with the exception of Arab and
Arab-influenced music, which is forbidden."

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.chrysalis-foundation.org

Cris Forster wrote:

> From _The Turkish "Makam" System in
> Contemporary Theory and Practice_, Ph.D.
> dissertation by Karl Lloyd Signell (1973), p. 16:
>
> "Besides Western music, the programs of Radio
> Istanbul include all genres of Turkish Music
> mentioned above -- with the exception of Arab and
> Arab-influenced music, which is forbidden."

Oh, that ban was lifted long ago:

"Arabesk music dominates the Turkish pop scene. It is largely Arabic in origin, which led to condemnation from some Turkish nationalists. Arabesk stems from Raks Sarki (more often known as belly-dancing music) and was popularized beginning in the 1940s by Kaydar Tatliyay and other performers, leading to a 1948 ban on Arabic language music. The effort was largely unsuccessful, as most Turks listened to Radio Cairo and Arabic music continued to be popular. In the middle of the 1960s, Turkish urban and folk styles were incorporated into Arabesk by musicians like Ahmet Sezgin, Abdullah Y�ce and Hafiz Burhan Sesiyilmaz. This was followed by performers like Orhan Gencebay who added Anglo-American rock and roll to Arabesk music."

(http://www.shababmusic.com/2006/01/28/1/ -- wasn't this article on Wikipedia once?)

Glad you chimed in, because I've been studying your website a lot lately. Your page on the 13-limit diamond helped make me decide to go back to trying to write music in 53-tone Pythagorean and 13-limit JI instead of warped 41-tone and 11-limit.

~Danny~

> Cris Forster wrote:
>
> > From _The Turkish "Makam" System in
> > Contemporary Theory and Practice_, Ph.D.
> > dissertation by Karl Lloyd Signell (1973), p. 16:
> >
> > "Besides Western music, the programs of Radio
> > Istanbul include all genres of Turkish Music
> > mentioned above -- with the exception of Arab and
> > Arab-influenced music, which is forbidden."
>

I met Karl Signell the day I delivered my 79-tone presentation. Such a tall
guy! He was among the audience there with �lhami Gokcen from Canada who had
recently translated his book from English to Turkish. Karl personally signed
the book and presented it to me.

Indeed, I agree with Danny. The ban is obsolete since some decades now.

> Oh, that ban was lifted long ago:
>
> "Arabesk music dominates the Turkish pop scene. It is largely Arabic in
> origin, which led to condemnation from some Turkish nationalists.

It certainly is not Arabic in origin any more than Debussy's Arabesque stems
from Arab culture. The word denotes the estrangement and disfranchisement of
folk/slum singers in a satirical-cynical sort of way.

Arabesk
> stems from Raks Sarki (more often known as belly-dancing music) and was
> popularized beginning in the 1940s by Kaydar Tatliyay and other
performers,
> leading to a 1948 ban on Arabic language music.

Maqam Music education was already banned from 1927 onward for about half a
century.

The effort was largely
> unsuccessful, as most Turks listened to Radio Cairo and Arabic music
> continued to be popular.

A - a - ah... Maqam Music continued to be popular, despite the fact that the
state banned its education after 1927 and its broadcast between 1934-36.
Westernization efforts of the Kemalist state is the culprit behind the
rampant demand of the Turkish ear to listen to Maqam Music.

In the middle of the 1960s, Turkish urban and folk
> styles were incorporated into Arabesk by musicians like Ahmet Sezgin,
> Abdullah Y�ce and Hafiz Burhan Sesiyilmaz. This was followed by performers
> like Orhan Gencebay who added Anglo-American rock and roll to Arabesk
> music."

The urban folk singing evolved as industrialization and urbanization
progressed.

SNIP

Cordially,
Ozan

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel A. Wier" <dawiertx@...> wrote:

> (http://www.shababmusic.com/2006/01/28/1/ -- wasn't this article on
> Wikipedia once?)

There's this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Turkey

Thanks Kurt, but how do I use a proxy route?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Bigler" <kkb@breathsense.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 01 Haziran 2006 Per�embe 7:45
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Disgraceful

You may be able to find a free proxy server outside your country that would
permit you access to this site. Alternately you might even try running it
through BabelFish (which effectively acts like a proxy) and get translation
at the same time.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

I've googled to find proxy servers when my direct connection to a site
wasn't working and I've had some success. Here is a list of free proxy
servers.

http://www.proxy4free.com/page1.html

Reliability/availability of servers on this list is more than a little iffy
in my experience, but it might be worth a try.

-Kurt

>Glad you chimed in, because I've been studying your website a lot
>lately. Your page on the 13-limit diamond helped make me decide to go
>back to trying to write music in 53-tone Pythagorean and 13-limit JI
>instead of warped 41-tone and 11-limit.
>
>~Danny~

Equally glad to hear that some singable rational tunings are still of
interest. As a builder of acoustic instruments, I have no one to blame
but myself :)

Cris

on 6/1/06 6:28 PM, Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com> wrote:

> Thanks Kurt, but how do I use a proxy route?

It is either going to be an option in your browser somewhere, or else in
your computer network settings. Look and see if you can find Preferences or
Options or Network settings and under that something about Proxy Servers.
You want to find settings concerning a proxy server for "HTTP" with a place
that lets you type an IP address. Type an IP address you find in the
proxy4free table, for example, and try it. It may require a little patience
to find one that works. You're going to have to type the proxy IP address,
click "OK" (or "Apply" or whatever) and try the result. When you are done
you will probably want to switch back (turn "off" the HTTP proxy, perhaps by
unchecking a box) or performance or reliability is likely to suffer for
normal use. It is possible you might have to quit your browser each time
for the proxy change to take effect, but first try without doing this.

It might be considerably easier to use babelfish.altavista.com instead
because this works rather like a proxy but in a single window, without
actually requiring you to go somewhere else to change proxy settings which
then affects how the browser or perhaps how your whole computer accesses the
web. But with babelfish you have to specify translation languages, which
might get in the way if you really don't want translation, or if the
language used is not available in the limited babelfish list. Still it
might work to specify a false choice of languages, and Babelfish will always
simply fail to translate things that it can't find in it's dictionaries for
the source language, which might give you the result you need.

I suggest trying Babelfish first. Only problem would be if altavista caved
in to political requirements of your country. Google has for example done
such things.

-Kurt