call for collaborators

i've put up a tune here that i've left open for collaboration

http://zebox.com/danstearns_4/

It's not an easy tune, however, it is a piece with a lot of potential
for interesting results I think . The estimable Jacky Ligon completed
one version of it we titled "Seven Suns of Cinnibus"

http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/

Jacky's aesthetic and whole approach is totally different from my
own, so it is in the truest sense a collaboration and an indication of
what can happen if you can make it happen.

bonk......no takers?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_anthony_stearns"
<daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
>
> i've put up a tune here that i've left open for collaboration
>
> http://zebox.com/danstearns_4/
>
> It's not an easy tune, however, it is a piece with a lot of potential
> for interesting results I think . The estimable Jacky Ligon completed
> one version of it we titled "Seven Suns of Cinnibus"
>
> http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/
>
> Jacky's aesthetic and whole approach is totally different from my
> own, so it is in the truest sense a collaboration and an indication
of
> what can happen if you can make it happen.
>

Dan,

I like collaborating on improvisations, but I find the idea of
collaboration on composition, traditional or otherwise, unattractive
I guess.

Maybe I'm not 'zen' or hip enough, I don't think it works, period;
except in improv, where there really isn't composition in the
standard sense, but spontaneous real-time discovery as opposed to
non-real-time discovery.

When I compose something non-real time, I rather enjoy being a
completely egoist being with a total control freak vision. It's 'my
baby', *my* communion with the flame or whatever corny creative
metaphor you want to pick...For instance, what many consider among
my finest works, 'Juggler', could not have come about by passing
over my pen to someone else. No sir. I wouldn't trust anyone to
communicate what I felt was a total vision. I can't bear the thought
of arguing with someone where it should go next...fuck that.

Nor could any of Beethoven's finest hours, for example, have been
collaborations...can you imagine him giving the pen to, say,
Hummel!!, in the 2nd movement of the 9th symphony or anywhere
else---what a disaster that would be!

improv = letting go (buddha, eastern)
composition = grabbing hold (western, control-freaky, nietzche?)

Ok, that's cliche...obviously on can mix and match these ideas. I
don't like talking about the creative process...forget it. forget I
said anything :)

Anyway, Dan, I like the spirit of what you're offering, even if I
don't want to take you up on it.

But that's just me...i wish you total success with whoever *does*
take you up on such stuff.

-Aaron.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_anthony_stearns"
<daniel_anthony_stearns@...> wrote:
>
>
> bonk......no takers?
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_anthony_stearns"
> <daniel_anthony_stearns@> wrote:
> >
> > i've put up a tune here that i've left open for collaboration
> >
> > http://zebox.com/danstearns_4/
> >
> > It's not an easy tune, however, it is a piece with a lot of
potential
> > for interesting results I think . The estimable Jacky Ligon
completed
> > one version of it we titled "Seven Suns of Cinnibus"
> >
> > http://zebox.com/daniel_anthony_stearns/
> >
> > Jacky's aesthetic and whole approach is totally different from
my
> > own, so it is in the truest sense a collaboration and an
indication
> of
> > what can happen if you can make it happen.
> >
>

Re: call for collaborators the hard thing about this is how it is organized.
one could alternate notes or up to a certain minute duration, or alternate counterpoint to one another kinda leap froging with the other , one starts, one writs a counterpart plus a few notes, the n the same to the next person.
there is also the exquisites corpse idea where all you know is the last note and one constructs something from there.
one could be done where we all ended on a =440 and then these could be shuffled in different orders to see what happened.
a harmonic sequence rhythm , each makes their own line, i bet the more you had on this the better.

a simple go from point a to b in a designated time could be some type of "sum- over-history " type idea.

In a sense, the composer, performer relationship can be a strong collaboration and often a performer will influence, much of will happen in a composition, back and forth. history has many examples of this

i often will leave choices to performers, often who are composer themselves, and is the basis of my group, the nuclear family, which is based on playing certain notes at certain times but using scales (or not) in between .
in practice such work takes a very long time though in order for those performers t o 'discover' the option they like.
But often when one person finds something, it is picked up by others, at such points, what i have provided, sinks into the background.

It is a tribute to what Cornelius Cardew attempted
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@...> wrote:

> Maybe I'm not 'zen' or hip enough, I don't think it works, period;
> except in improv, where there really isn't composition in the
> standard sense, but spontaneous real-time discovery as opposed to
> non-real-time discovery.

Wasn't Choraled With a Twist sort of a collaboration?

> Nor could any of Beethoven's finest hours, for example, have been
> collaborations...can you imagine him giving the pen to, say,
> Hummel!!, in the 2nd movement of the 9th symphony or anywhere
> else---what a disaster that would be!

Beethoven did send in his variation on Diabelli's theme, like Hummel.
Come to think of it, he sent in a few more. :) I seem to recall some
story of him sitting around over a few beers with Kuhlau, and them
coming up with funny canons and laughing themselvs sick. And of course
Beethoven was noted for being able to improvise on a theme in real
time, not just when he does something wild and crazy like the Diabelli
Variations.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@>
wrote:
>
> > Maybe I'm not 'zen' or hip enough, I don't think it works,
period;
> > except in improv, where there really isn't composition in the
> > standard sense, but spontaneous real-time discovery as opposed
to
> > non-real-time discovery.
>
> Wasn't Choraled With a Twist sort of a collaboration?

Yes it was....more of an arrangement, but yes---i stand corrected!!

(that reminds me--never to be a windbag late at night after 2
glasses of wine!)

> > Nor could any of Beethoven's finest hours, for example, have
been
> > collaborations...can you imagine him giving the pen to, say,
> > Hummel!!, in the 2nd movement of the 9th symphony or anywhere
> > else---what a disaster that would be!
>
> Beethoven did send in his variation on Diabelli's theme, like
Hummel.
> Come to think of it, he sent in a few more. :) I seem to recall
some
> story of him sitting around over a few beers with Kuhlau, and them
> coming up with funny canons and laughing themselvs sick. And of
course
> Beethoven was noted for being able to improvise on a theme in real
> time, not just when he does something wild and crazy like the
Diabelli
> Variations.

True.

Daniel Stearns, ignore my blah blah blah from last night....and
Kraig had some nice ideas---I like 'exquisite corpse'...I've done it
with words, never music, but it could work...

Dan, maybe we could do that from scratch?!

-Aaron.

hey aaron.no problem, you're one of the people that actually posts
quite a bit of music at MMM.And whatever happens with the piece i
posted i'm happy--got about a 1/2 dozen people from 4 different
forums trying it out at the moment--and in the end i'll probably make
a web page of the various realizations. Anyway, what's plenty more
cool is the idea that it might spur similiar projects amongst other
contributers along the lines of their own talents and prefrences,
etc. That would be great.

daniel

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <genewardsmith@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Krister Johnson" <aaron@>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe I'm not 'zen' or hip enough, I don't think it works,
> period;
> > > except in improv, where there really isn't composition in the
> > > standard sense, but spontaneous real-time discovery as opposed
> to
> > > non-real-time discovery.
> >
> > Wasn't Choraled With a Twist sort of a collaboration?
>
> Yes it was....more of an arrangement, but yes---i stand
corrected!!
>
> (that reminds me--never to be a windbag late at night after 2
> glasses of wine!)
>
> > > Nor could any of Beethoven's finest hours, for example, have
> been
> > > collaborations...can you imagine him giving the pen to, say,
> > > Hummel!!, in the 2nd movement of the 9th symphony or anywhere
> > > else---what a disaster that would be!
> >
> > Beethoven did send in his variation on Diabelli's theme, like
> Hummel.
> > Come to think of it, he sent in a few more. :) I seem to recall
> some
> > story of him sitting around over a few beers with Kuhlau, and
them
> > coming up with funny canons and laughing themselvs sick. And of
> course
> > Beethoven was noted for being able to improvise on a theme in
real
> > time, not just when he does something wild and crazy like the
> Diabelli
> > Variations.
>
> True.
>
> Daniel Stearns, ignore my blah blah blah from last night....and
> Kraig had some nice ideas---I like 'exquisite corpse'...I've done
it
> with words, never music, but it could work...
>
> Dan, maybe we could do that from scratch?!
>
> -Aaron.
>

> Beethoven did send in his variation on Diabelli's theme,
> Come to think of it, he sent in a few more. :)

Actually I thought he didn't. He published his variations
on his own, later. I have a recording of the real Diabelli
submissions, though. Guess which is better. :)

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:
>
> > Beethoven did send in his variation on Diabelli's theme,
> > Come to think of it, he sent in a few more. :)
>
> Actually I thought he didn't. He published his variations
> on his own, later. I have a recording of the real Diabelli
> submissions, though. Guess which is better. :)

When Diabelli got 33 variations from Beethoven, which were not
independent but which were designed to cohere into a single complex
and massive hour-long piano piece, it was obvious to him, and
subsequently to everyone else, that it had to be published separately.
Which he did.