microtonal hardware

Hey y'all-
I have added a section to my page called Microtonal Hardware. I
have only one entry at the moment, the TC Vocal Intonation Processor. As
usual, any suggestions are welcome.
I have been using a software home audio studio recently called
n-track, and I am quite pleased with it's performance. It costs only $35
as shareware and it is versatile and easy to use. Are any of you using
software recording studios?
With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or own? My
list follows:

19TET bass guitar
19TET fretless bass guitar (19TET lines)
34TET bass guitar
fretless acoustic bass guitar with JI markers
fretless contrabass
bass viol
cello
19TET classical guitar
19TET electric guitar
fretless classical guitar
Lemonica

Under Construction:
19TET electric guitar
19TET banjo (close to finished!)
31TET bass guitar
41TET electric guitar
19TET StarrBoard
19TET mandolin (I know, but after the 41TET guitar, it will be easy)

John Starrett
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html

John Starrett wrote,

>With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
>time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or own?

My list so far:

22-tET 7-string electric guitar
Ensoniq VFX-SD synthesizer

Coming soon:

Cheapo fretless bass waiting to be marked up for 22-tET.
Another 7-string waiting to be refretted to 31-tET. Who would like to do the
work? John, you did a great job on the 22-tET one -- do you have time to do
this one for me? I know Glen Peterson's real busy right now.

> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
> time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or own?
>
Hi,

Most of mine are under construction, so I'll list them in order of
completeness (the last ones are barely begun).

Kurzweil K150(fs)
19tET treble viol
fretless electric guitar
22tET virginal
12tET archtop harmonic guitar with moveable frets on the short fretboard
pochette d'amore
19tET chitarrone
ca. 1852 Hallet & Davis grand piano, ca.1887 Sohmer 'Cycloid' grand
19tET Brambach grand
12 and 22tET reproduction ca.1840 R.Wornum grands

(Really I should finish one before I start the next...)

Clark

Hi John
here's a list
sitar tuned to 7 limit
Diamond electric Marimba
refretted electric guitar 64 frets for series
fretless electric silver sled
HP automatic 3330b frequency synthesizer
adapted violin
37 note microinterval modified Cat synthesizer
Modified ARP Omni II synth (currently in WTP tuning)
JI orchestral Bells
Bugle hahaha
Some of these are on loan to the Society from Sree Genovese!
But we use em!!

resonate and extenuate
Pat Pagano

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:02:22 -0700 (MST), John Starrett
<jstarret@math.cudenver.edu> wrote:

> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
>time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or own? My
>list follows:

My primary microtonal instrument is the Yamaha DX7II keyboard. I also have
a TX81Z but hardly ever use it for non-12TET scales.

I use the SoundBlaster AWE32 for microtonal MIDI, especially for my 15TET
works.

My kalimba is currently tuned to a 7-note subset of 16TET (the faux pelog
scale). Before that, I tuned it to a meantone scale.

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> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
>time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or
>own?

Well....in approximate order of frequency of use:
SGI Indigo R4000, running Csound
GNU/Linux (Debian) on PentiumII, running Csound
GNU/Linux (RedHat) on PentiumIII, running Csound
Windows95 on PentiumII, running Csound
Tanpura -- microtonal the way I tune it(!)
PowerMac 6100/66, running Csound
Consort of Recorders (as two above)

and of course a variety of stainless steel serving bowls, other
kitchen utensils, other twangy things, the cat, ...

==John ffitch

And a few more from South East Just Intonation Society:

Bass Marimba (on loan from D. Genovese)
Tubular Bells (harmonic series and Subharmonic series, also on loan)

In progress:
"Microtonal" Carillon (nearing completion - 2 normalized octaves of 8 by 8
diamond, custom matrix keyboard, and eventual midi control) (expected
completion april 2000)

Vaporware:
50 string Monochord, driven by solenoids, will be controlled by above
carillon keyboard

Darren Burgess
Gainesville FL

>Jay here,
>My microtonal instrumentarium:
>Kawai K5 additive synth

Jay,

In what capacity is the K5 microtonal?

-Carl

In a message dated 12/02/1999 11:56:13 AM,
>From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
>
>> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
>>time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or
>>own?
>
> <SNIP>
>
>... and of course a variety of stainless steel serving bowls, other
>kitchen utensils, other twangy things, the cat, ...
>
>==John ffitch

Cat!!!! Animal abuse!!!! *snarfle*

>> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
>>time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or
>>own?

Besides other synthesizers/samplers I have a Kyma System I prefer over all
others for microtonal-
and audio-experiments.

hendrik gr�ger

Good grief, Carl, do you know the Kawai K5? I thought I was alone.
So far as I know you can't tune its separate MIDI channels and leave them be
as with MIDI gs machines. So I do it with the usual pitchbend/aftertouch
ways, that is, stuffing in numbers on each channel as needed. Each channel,
of course, being tuned to one of the 12 standard notes. This one doesn't
have a percussion channel, so there are 6 rather than 5 extra channels for
designating other sharps and flats.
You can also tune any of its 48 programs independently with the pitch wheel
and the tuning will remain there. It's a bit arbitrary insofar as any kind
of theoretical accuracy, as it progresses through a whole tone in 128 steps.
At 11:27 AM 12/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Carl Lumma <clumma@nni.com>
>
>>Jay here,
>>My microtonal instrumentarium:
>>Kawai K5 additive synth
>
>Jay,
>
>In what capacity is the K5 microtonal?
>
>-Carl
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As to microtonal hardware so far I have (or have had & plan to have):

- small set of custom-made FreeNotes (a set of metallophone
bar-&-tube-resonantors designed by Richard Cooke)
based on the most recent archeo-musicology findings (1989?)
regarding one ancient Chinese pentatonic scale & its exact Hz
as found on a set of 5 bells in southern China near Hong Kong

- a very large strange metallophone (also custom-built by Richard
Cooke) based on a 14 tone "hybrid" JI scale I came up with

- a circuit-bent PlaySkool "Sax-o-Fun" re-named "Zwitscher Maschine"/
"Machina Emitter Critos"/"Twittering Machine" (after Paul Klee's
famous mechanical birds painting & composer Tan Dun's music
inspired by Klee's painting)...
this is modified so the sounds are
controlled & "mutated" by bio-resistances [fingies] placed at
points
on the toy's circuitry...
output: mangled nursery rhyme melodies or
mangled (ab)user-programmed melodies...

- <<destroyed; to be re-constructed soon as possible>>
"MicroSoniCosm"---
a heavily modified ("prepared") & amplified toy piano
re-tooled/de- tuned randomly ...
output: think mutant combination of gamelan & outta-tune honkytonk
piano on a very small scale *snarfle*

- PLANNED ADDITION (after holidays & Y2K dies down): * a microtonally-
capable synthesizer [still doing research on what would suit
both my musical needs & budget...]

zHANg

Jay Williams wrote...

>Good grief, Carl, do you know the Kawai K5? I thought I was alone.

Me too! Additive all the way, baby!!

I came up with three killer patches (if I do say so myself) for Denny
Genovese's rackmout K5 in 1997. I now own a K5000s keyboard. It has more
than 3 times the functionality of the K5. Unfortunately, it's more than 3
times more difficult to get what you want out of it.

Fortunately, however, there's a strong underground following for the unit,
and there are websites chocked full of patches for it. I've downloaded
over 200. Also, Emagic's SoundDiver supports it, and an OEM version came
with mine! In fact, I just got around to installing SoundDiver earlier
today, and I'll be auditioning patches later tonight. Next week I plan on
checking out SoundDiver's additive modeling feature, which supposedly
creates K5000 patches based on wav samples!

The K5000, like the K5, doesn't support anything of the Midi Tuning
Standard. It does have a quartertone feature, which is very limited, as
you can imagine. Denny used his own software to send pitchbends to the K5,
and I had planned on using Graham Breed's Midi Relay to tune my K5000...

>You can also tune any of its 48 programs independently with the pitch wheel
>and the tuning will remain there.

Huh. I don't remember it having that feature. How do you do that? Maybe
my K5000 does it too!

>It's a bit arbitrary insofar as any kind of theoretical accuracy, as it
>progresses through a whole tone in 128 steps.

Can't you increase the accuracy by shrinking the pitch bend range?

-Carl

I have:

--JI electric guitar, built from scratch (20 frets in first octave, straight
across)
--22ET refretted Stratocaster

no synthesizers, no cats...

kp

In-Reply-To: <944166920.5670@onelist.com>
PC with microtonal software
Yamaha TX81Z
Cheap guitar with meantone fretting
JI mouth organ
Mouth organ tuned to neutral third scale
Mouth organ with blobs of solder on the reeds as the first step to
retuning to a halfway just scale.

By strict definitions of "microtonal" the mouth organs wouldn't count as
they have no intervals smaller than a semitone.

I'm borrowing a digital camera, and so may have a pic of the guitar on my
website soon.

At 04:44 PM 12/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Carl Lumma <clumma@nni.com>

I wrote
>>You can also tune any of its 48 programs independently with the pitch wheel
>>and the tuning will remain there.
>
>Huh. I don't remember it having that feature. How do you do that? Maybe
>my K5000 does it too!
On the K5 you goto page 1 in that edit menu which is "dfg, digital frequency
generator" and with the incre.decr wheel you can move the pitch by either
half steps or, by cursoring once to the right, I think, move it by um 1.64
tones. When you save that modification in the "write" menu, that shift is
retained.

>>It's a bit arbitrary insofar as any kind of theoretical accuracy, as it
>>progresses through a whole tone in 128 steps.
>
>Can't you increase the accuracy by shrinking the pitch bend range?
Right. I mentioned that retention of pitch simply as a means of
experimenting when playing two different synths with one keyboard or just
getting a bit closer to the ballpark.

>
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Graham Breed wrote:

> JI mouth organ
> Mouth organ tuned to neutral third scale
> Mouth organ with blobs of solder on the reeds as the first step to
> retuning to a halfway just scale.
>
> By strict definitions of "microtonal" the mouth organs wouldn't count as
> they have no intervals smaller than a semitone.

You ARE talking about harmonicas. Right?

> --

* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

Drew yooziz :

1. Yamaha PSR-530 XG keyboard
2. Almost worthless aluminium fingerboard fretless acoustic
3. Csound on a PowerMac G3 233MHz

Toyz about with all sorts of tunings, nothing concrete yet. Probably moving
to 41-EDO electric & E-mu ESI2000 (or Kurzweil K2000R) soon as I have (any)
money.

Ole !

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Jay Williams wrote...

>>Huh. I don't remember it having that feature. How do you do that? Maybe
>>my K5000 does it too!
>
>On the K5 you goto page 1 in that edit menu which is "dfg, digital frequency
>generator" and with the incre.decr wheel you can move the pitch by either
>half steps or, by cursoring once to the right, I think, move it by um 1.64
>tones. When you save that modification in the "write" menu, that shift is
>retained.

Huh. The K5000 equivalent of DFG is DCO (Digitally Controlled Oscillator).
There, I found the following options...

1. "Course and Fine -- a standard adjustment which affects all notes
2. "KS Pitch" -- stands for "Keyboard Scale Pitch".
3. "Fixed Key" -- choose from 12 keys over a 6 octave range, or turn it "OFF"

The 2nd option only has an effect when the 3rd is set to something other
than "OFF". This 3rd option makes note ons from the keyboard the same note
number. IOW, it makes the oscillator ignore keyboard tracking. With this
done, you can sharpen this "Fixed Key" by 25, 33, or 50 cents using option 3.

The manual claims you can use this to play quartertones (as I mentioned in
my last post), or to "stretch the tuning". But I can't figure out how to
get it to do either of these things -- since keyboard tracking is being
ignored. I must be overlooking something. . . .

-Carl

In-Reply-To: <944212134.21946@onelist.com>
David Beardsley wrote:

> You ARE talking about harmonicas. Right?

Yes, all diatonic. See http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~patm/tunings

Graham Breed wrote:

> From: gbreed@cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Breed)
>
> In-Reply-To: <944212134.21946@onelist.com>
> David Beardsley wrote:
>
> > You ARE talking about harmonicas. Right?
>
> Yes, all diatonic.

Whew!

> See http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~patm/tunings

Should be:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~patm/tunings.html

Thanks!

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

One Zymo-Xyl, nearly completed.

*hic* :)

In a message dated 12/04/1999 08:38:08 PM,
>From: Dale Scott <adelscott@mail.utexas.edu>
>
>One Zymo-Xyl, nearly completed.
>
>
>*hic* :)

ROTFL (Rollin' On The Floor Laughin')

Here's what I have:

13 limit just intonation electric guitar
fretless electric bass
7 limit dobro
Korg 05R/W synth used w/Roland ready Stratocaster & Roland GR1
E-mu Proteus/2 (rarely used for microtones)

--
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* xouoxno@virtulink.com
*
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
*
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm

I think we all should add the most significant instrument to our lists
HUMAN VOICE

David Beardsley wrote:

> From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
>
> Here's what I have:
>
> 13 limit just intonation electric guitar
> fretless electric bass
> 7 limit dobro
> Korg 05R/W synth used w/Roland ready Stratocaster & Roland GR1
> E-mu Proteus/2 (rarely used for microtones)
>
> --
> * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
> * xouoxno@virtulink.com
> *
> * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
> * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor
> *
> * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
>
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>From: Patrick Pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>
>I think we all should add the most significant instrument to our lists
>HUMAN VOICE

HEAR HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Link

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In a message dated 12/04/1999 10:38:07 PM,
>>From: Patrick Pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>I think we all should add the most significant instrument to our lists
>>HUMAN VOICE

To (counter)balance out this thread...
I think Hugo Ball, the Dadaist, said that noise is more
powerful than the human voice...

The Dadas were - of course - influenced heavily by the
the Italian Futurist movement in this regard.

zHANg

> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
> time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or own?
>
I have read many responses to the "what do you play and/or own" request. It
pleases me that so many people have come out of the shadows to reveal their
personal tools. (A warm hello to all you quiet folk!) Have any of you
produced any tapes or CDs using these tools? If so, I would be most pleased to
hear about that also. I must say that one of the best/most interesting CDs I
have ever bought was tuning@mills.edu -- a microtonal experience. I encourage
all you who have stepped out to also reveal some of your work done with those
tools mentioned; don't be shy, you are amongst friends.

Anyway, my toys are:
-Yamaha TX802
-Emu Proteus 1
-Oberheim Xpander
-Roland SC55 mk2
-Set of 15 MIDI transposition maps for the Macintosh sequencer 'Mastertracks
Pro' that I use to convert sequences into 12 from 19-TET (one for each key
signature).--- Thanks gang for pointing out the value of this 'n from m'
concept some months ago.
-Custom made 19-NotePerOct MIDI master keyboard. It has only 23 keys, and isn't
velocity sensitive but is great for trying out chords while composing.
and finally...
A Brian West 5-string 19-TET electric bass that I play, and a Yamaha Pacifica
electric guitar with a Brian West 19-TET neck that I own.

I have only recorded comercials and a short documentary (12-TET) for a regional
TV network. I have not yet recorded anything microtonal, but I am preparing to
begin this February.

Is there any way of maintaining a web site that could hold mp3 files for the
list members. I was thinking that it would be good to be able to deposit our
works for the enjoyment of each other. If the site automatically deleted all
files older than a week, it wouldn't need to be very big. What do you reckon?

DARREN McDOUGALL

You clearly have not heard my voice.....
> I think we all should add the most significant instrument to our lists
> HUMAN VOICE
==John

is there a dissonance@onelist :+)

jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:

> From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
>
> You clearly have not heard my voice.....
> > I think we all should add the most significant instrument to our lists
> > HUMAN VOICE
> ==John
>
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Darren McDougall wrote,

>Have any of you
>produced any tapes or CDs using these tools? If so, I would be most
pleased to
>hear about that also. I must say that one of the best/most interesting CDs
I
>have ever bought was tuning@mills.edu -- a microtonal experience.

Darren, this CD required a $$$ investment from all its contributors. You
should check out the Tuning Digest Tape Swap from 1997, which was free to
contribute to. See
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/morrisontapeswap.html for more info.
I contributed a 22-tET piece to this tape.

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>From: "McDougall, Darren Scott - MCDDS001" <MCDDS001@students.unisa.edu.au>
>
>> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
>> time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or own?
>>
Let's see, I have:

o 3 Javanese gender: 1 slendro barung, 1 slendro panerus, and 1 pelog with
interchangeable keys. All in my own JI versions of Javanese tunings.
o A Javanese gong and kempul.
o A Balinese tingklik (bamboo xylophone), in slendro but with wide octaves.
o A Kurzweil K2000 (I sometimes also use a K2500 in a studio I have access to.)
o I also use Csound and other computer music software.
o I also write things for other instrumentalists and singers: unfretted
strings and shakuhachi so far.

I have a variety of other instruments I haven't typically used: a small
mbira, some Indonesian suling, etc. I also have some electronic instruments
I haven't used in a while: TX81Z, S1000. Also an out-of-tune piano :)

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Hi Bill
any cool old patches for that Tx81Z????
or would you care to donate it to the SEJIS????
or let it go cheaply???
I know Darren Burgess has been looking for one
Pat

Bill Alves wrote:

> From: alves@orion.ac.hmc.edu (Bill Alves)
>
> >From: "McDougall, Darren Scott - MCDDS001" <MCDDS001@students.unisa.edu.au>
> >
> >> With the new list home and the new list members, it may be a good
> >> time to ask again, what microtonal instruments do you play and/or own?
> >>
> Let's see, I have:
>
> o 3 Javanese gender: 1 slendro barung, 1 slendro panerus, and 1 pelog with
> interchangeable keys. All in my own JI versions of Javanese tunings.
> o A Javanese gong and kempul.
> o A Balinese tingklik (bamboo xylophone), in slendro but with wide octaves.
> o A Kurzweil K2000 (I sometimes also use a K2500 in a studio I have access to.)
> o I also use Csound and other computer music software.
> o I also write things for other instrumentalists and singers: unfretted
> strings and shakuhachi so far.
>
> I have a variety of other instruments I haven't typically used: a small
> mbira, some Indonesian suling, etc. I also have some electronic instruments
> I haven't used in a while: TX81Z, S1000. Also an out-of-tune piano :)
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^ Bill Alves email: alves@hmc.edu ^
> ^ Harvey Mudd College URL: http://www2.hmc.edu/~alves/ ^
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Nice font Rick
any cool patches for that tx81Z???
I have about 80 sseyx messages for ya if your'e interested
Pat

Rick McGowan wrote:

> I've used a Yamaha TX802 (with a 63-slot cartridge) for 10 years, and have recently-aquired a used TX81Z.
>
> And I'm definitely in the market for another TX802 if any of you people are willing to part with one! Top dollar paid!
>
> Someone else asked...
>
> > Have any of you produced any tapes or CDs using these tools?
>
> Yes, hours & hours... With the ease of taping & CD making these days, I hope a lot of other people are doing so, too!
>
> Rick
>

>

All!
I have two ensembles of instruments because i realized that after years of building instruments which did not always
work together that i needed ones that did hence i decided to construct ensembles.

Ensemble one is tuned to the 1-3-7-9-11-15 Eikosany which can be seen at

http://anaphoria.com/musinst.html
not pictured 2 22-tone pump organs (they look like 12 tone instruments)

ensemble two (META SLENDRO TUNING) shares the resonators of the Meru Bars Pictured above with different Bars (12 different
bars over 9 resonators so only 9 at a time available). Since they look like normal 12 tone instruments couldn't see much
reason in showing them.

plus retuned vibes
xylophone
Bass Marimba
pump organ.

Both ensembles can use Hammer Dulcimer And Chinese Cheng (KOTO like instrument)
and yes VOICE preferably someone else's

Other instruments include
2 octave 72 tone hebdomekontany tubes
Wenge Marimba tuned to 1-3-5-7-9-11 full CPS can be used with ensemble one but that hasn't happen
Pump Organ tuned to META MAVILA 16-tone organ that instead of alternating 2 an 3 blacks alternates 3 and 4 blacks. Kinda
what happens if you have Double vision at your piano!

And believe it or not, I got the Merion Pro-synth which is capable of 6,144 choices within the octave. Have used for
research only but like it!

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com

Kraig Grady wrote,

>Pump Organ tuned to META MAVILA 16-tone organ that instead of alternating 2
an >3 blacks alternates 3 and 4 blacks.

Are you aware that this is the very keyboard design proposed by Goldsmith in
1971 in "An Electronically Generated Complex Microtonal System of Horizontal
and Vertical Harmony", _Journal of the Audio Engineering Society_ vol. 19 n.
10 pp. 851-858? His keyboard was also curved to allow easier access to lower
and upper registers.

What is META MAVILA?

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

> From: "Paul H. Erlich" <PErlich@Acadian-Asset.com>
>
> Kraig Grady wrote,
>
> >Pump Organ tuned to META MAVILA 16-tone organ that instead of alternating 2
> an >3 blacks alternates 3 and 4 blacks.
>
> Are you aware that this is the very keyboard design proposed by Goldsmith in
> 1971 in "An Electronically Generated Complex Microtonal System of Horizontal
> and Vertical Harmony", _Journal of the Audio Engineering Society_ vol. 19 n.
> 10 pp. 851-858? His keyboard was also curved to allow easier access to lower
> and upper registers.

This is good to know! It is a really funny keyboard to work with cause there is
enough there to find you way around by feel by i find all of a sudden I'll just
collapse into chaos! Don't have a good notation beside a klarscripto notation
of 3 and 4 lines alternating. No letter names but wanted to use compass points
at one time. That didn't really work. If I had my choice i would probably use
some version of a bosanquet but would require more work that I was up for. I
would have to redesign everything! The Organ piece on "Interiors" uses this
scale when I only had it tuned out to 10 places (not a good stopping place but
I knew reeds were on the way). Now at 16 the overall range is shorten making
that piece not possible to do at the moment. I have the reeds though and at
some point I hope to build a new box.

>

> What is META MAVILA?

Mavila is a village of the Chopi. this scale took there average fifth range and
superimposed it. It happened to form a cycle at 16 like many pelogs. That the
indonesians were colonizing this area between 100-700 AD is amazing. This was
my beginning interest-a bridge between africa and indonesia. Their scale
resembles more the Burmese to my ear than the average Java/bali pelog and I am
not sure just exactly where the indonesian boats were leaving from. They were
sailing direct with ships that carried up to 400 people. The actual scale was
worked out by Erv after I gave him the rough measurements Hugh Tracy had made
with a series of tuning forks 4 vibrations apart. Those interested some of
Tracys field recordings have been put out by swp-records. The book of Hugh
Tracy on the Chopis is Chopi Musicians, oxford university Press 1970.
African-indonesian relations source is from many scattered historical
references.

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com

Kraig Grady wrote,

>The actual scale was
>worked out by Erv after I gave him the rough measurements Hugh Tracy had
made
>with a series of tuning forks 4 vibrations apart.

Some sort of Constant Structures scale? Goldsmith used 16-tET with
inharmonic timbres to produce consonance along Setharian lines.

"Paul H. Erlich" wrote:

> From: "Paul H. Erlich" <PErlich@Acadian-Asset.com>
>
> Kraig Grady wrote,
>
> >The actual scale was
> >worked out by Erv after I gave him the rough measurements Hugh Tracy had
> made
> >with a series of tuning forks 4 vibrations apart.
>
> Some sort of Constant Structures scale? Goldsmith used 16-tET with
> inharmonic timbres to produce consonance along Setharian lines.

The specifics will come out soon ,all together. As you can hear the
composition pretty consonant already don't you think!

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com

>From: Patrick Pagano <ppagano@bellsouth.net>
>
>Hi Bill
>any cool old patches for that Tx81Z????
>or would you care to donate it to the SEJIS????
>or let it go cheaply???
>I know Darren Burgess has been looking for one

Pat,

Actually, I think I'll hang on to the TX81Z for the time being. I have used
it occasionally for performances. However, I do have an FB-01 that Dudley
Duncan asked me to find a home for, preferably with people who are going to
be using it for its tuning capabilities. I don't know if you know the
FB-01, but it's very similar to the 81Z. Unfortunately, the tuning has to
be done entirely through MIDI sysex -- it can't be accessed via the front
panel. Let me know if the SEJIS would make good use of it and I'll send it.

By the way, I would like to hear your Csound piece for just organ.

Bill

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>Actually, I think I'll hang on to the TX81Z for the time being. I have used
>it occasionally for performances. However, I do have an FB-01 that Dudley
>Duncan asked me to find a home for, preferably with people who are going to
>be using it for its tuning capabilities. I don't know if you know the
>FB-01, but it's very similar to the 81Z. Unfortunately, the tuning has to
>be done entirely through MIDI sysex -- it can't be accessed via the front
>panel. Let me know if the SEJIS would make good use of it and I'll send it.

An FB-01! Jules Siegel claimed it had a quirk which allowed it to accept
multiple (different) pitch bends on the same channel. Does anybody know
anything about that?

-Carl

Too bad about that FSR1's microtonal limitations. I was about to get one
(ignorantly!). Would those of you using synth/samplers please tell me
which units can make equal temperaments span more than one keyboard
octave? My Ensoniq EPS does so with flying colors, but my DX7IIFDE! is
difficult to figure out. Has anyone used the DX7IIFDE! for 31-TET?
By the way, the term "Xenharmonics" has misleading connotations (Zen,
harmonic), while "microtonal" conveys a very clear idea to your audience
that you're not just being harmonically Zen, but rather in some tuning
system other than 12-TET even if your piece is MACROtonal. The term
Xenharmonic is pretty fresh, but who wants to explain their terms to
everyone? Microtonal music is inaccessible enough even to accomplished
composers - so why alter the established nomenclature?
I'm more interested in getting rid of olden terms like CADENCE than terms
which have SOME meaning like "microtonal."

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On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:58:23 -0800 (PST), "E. Borling"
<eborling@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>From: "E. Borling" <eborling@u.washington.edu>
>
>Too bad about that FSR1's microtonal limitations. I was about to get one
>(ignorantly!). Would those of you using synth/samplers please tell me
>which units can make equal temperaments span more than one keyboard
>octave? My Ensoniq EPS does so with flying colors, but my DX7IIFDE! is
>difficult to figure out. Has anyone used the DX7IIFDE! for 31-TET?

If you have a system that supports it, download a copy of SCALA.

http://www.tiac.net/users/xen/scala/

Run the program, type "set synth 2" to set it to use the DX7II tuning
table, "equal 31" to make a 31-equal scale, and "send /file equal31.mid" to
make a MIDI file that will put the DX7II into 31-note tuning.

A related scale I've been playing with lately, with all the talk about the
problems with octaves being exactly in tune, is a 31-note scale with a
slightly stretched octave. Try "equal 30.91555793", which tempers the
octave and perfect fifth both by the same amount, 3.28 cents. The biggest
problem with this scale is the rather sharp major sixth (8.4 cents sharp!
but still not as bad as 12-tet).

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