22-EDO for tonal music (was Re: Ozan's 159-edo-based tuning)

Hi Paul.

> 22-equal is absolutely terrible for common tonal music. The comma
problems, which I've discussed before, turn into comma
> disasters. I've been playing in 22-equal for over 10 years and any attempt
at common-practice tonality quickly degenerates
> into a comedy. Blackwood's and other composers' attempts to do this sound
to me like a perversion, and give 22 a bad
> name, given 22-equal's many wonderful non-common-practice resources.

Don't you think 22-EDO can be treated in somewhat similar manner to adaptive
JI?
And is your view about 34-EDO the same?

Petr

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Petr Parízek <p.parizek@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul.
>
> > 22-equal is absolutely terrible for common tonal music. The comma
> problems, which I've discussed before, turn into comma
> > disasters. I've been playing in 22-equal for over 10 years and
any attempt
> at common-practice tonality quickly degenerates
> > into a comedy. Blackwood's and other composers' attempts to do
this sound
> to me like a perversion, and give 22 a bad
> > name, given 22-equal's many wonderful non-common-practice
resources.
>
>
> Don't you think 22-EDO can be treated in somewhat similar manner to
adaptive
> JI?

Of course not, since adaptive JI requires melodic shifts of intervals
of around 1/4 syntonic comma or 5+ cents, while the smallest interval
in 22-equal is 55 cents!

> And is your view about 34-EDO the same?

34-equal is slightly less egregious than 22-equal for common-practice
tonal music because occasionally, a melodic adjustment of 35 cents
might pass for a held, unchanged note, while an adjustement of 55
cents never seems to sound like a repetition of the same note. But
when you get to chords like CEGAD, 34-equal seems to utterly fail.

> Of course not, since adaptive JI requires melodic shifts of
> intervals of around 1/4 syntonic comma or 5+ cents,

Who sayz?

-Carl

Hi Paul.

> 34-equal is slightly less egregious than 22-equal for common-practice
> tonal music because occasionally, a melodic adjustment of 35 cents
> might pass for a held, unchanged note, while an adjustement of 55
> cents never seems to sound like a repetition of the same note. But
> when you get to chords like CEGAD, 34-equal seems to utterly fail.

Aha. If I understand your view right (please correct me if not), the core of
the problem is that there's no acceptable representation of CEGAD at all
even in 5-limit JI. Of course, I agree there isn't. But then, you could say
almost the same about schismic temperaments, couldn't you?

Petr

Hi Paul.

I wrote:

> Aha. If I understand your view right (please correct me if not), the core
of
> the problem is that there's no acceptable representation of CEGAD at all
> even in 5-limit JI. Of course, I agree there isn't. But then, you could
say
> almost the same about schismic temperaments, couldn't you?

Trying to make things a bit clearer, i retuned my music from last week to
22-EDO. I've left the MIDI file on "Yousendit" where it should stay for a
week. Hope everything goes okay.

http://download.yousendit.com/2C19D0093145C624

I admit 22-EDO may seem somewhat weird for some people because of its wide
major seconds but this is not what I find "too much out of tune for me". If
I did, then I'd have to find 19-EDO almost the same, which I don't.

Petr