Orthotonophonium

Photos I made last week of von Oettingen's Orthotonophonium can be seen in the photos section of this group. They're in the folder "Berlin" and were made in the musical instrument museum there.

Manuel

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Manuel Op de Coul <coul@...> wrote:
>
> Photos I made last week of von Oettingen's Orthotonophonium
> can be seen in the photos section of this group. They're in
> the folder "Berlin" and were made in the musical instrument
> museum there.

Wow, thanks, Manuel! I've been interested in aspects of
von Oettingen's theory for quite awhile. By the looks of
this instrument, he was into microtonality -- i didn't
know that!

It's hard to read the text in the photo of his diagram
-- any idea what tuning he used on this instrument?
Looks like it might have been JI.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

> Photos I made last week of von Oettingen's Orthotonophonium can
> be seen in the photos section of this group. They're in the
> folder "Berlin" and were made in the musical instrument museum
> there.

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_70605/9e23/__sr_/5896.jpg?
gr4kB_DBgnYTUPW4

Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
know anything about this? What is it?

-Carl

>Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
>know anything about this? What is it?

It's a harmonium with 53 tones and 57 keys in the octave. The tuning is in
the Scala archive, oettingen.scl. There is information about it in Stefan
G�ller's paper, which is in the bibliography. Link:
http://www.goeller.org/ps/project.ps

Manuel

> >Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
> >know anything about this? What is it?
>
> It's a harmonium with 53 tones and 57 keys in the octave. The
> tuning is in the Scala archive, oettingen.scl. There is
> information about it in Stefan Göller's paper, which is in
> the bibliography. Link:
> http://www.goeller.org/ps/project.ps
>
> Manuel

Thanks!

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:
>
> > >Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
> > >know anything about this? What is it?
> >
> > It's a harmonium with 53 tones and 57 keys in the octave. The
> > tuning is in the Scala archive, oettingen.scl. There is
> > information about it in Stefan Göller's paper, which is in
> > the bibliography. Link:
> > http://www.goeller.org/ps/project.ps
> >
> > Manuel
>
> Thanks!

According to Göller's paper, Oettingen's tuning was
53-edo in 3,5-space, using the schisma and semicomma
-- 2,3,5-monzos [* 8, 1> and [* 3, 7> respectively --
as his basis unison-vectors.

This is different from the version of "5-limit" 53-edo
usually encountered, which has a basis of the schisma
and kleisma.

I've made a Tonescape Lattice of Oettingen's version,
using 53-edo degrees as the notation:

/tuning/files/monz/53-edo_3-5-space_oettingen-basis_lattice.gif

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@> wrote:
> >
> > > >Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
> > > >know anything about this? What is it?
> > >
> > > It's a harmonium with 53 tones and 57 keys in the octave. The
> > > tuning is in the Scala archive, oettingen.scl. There is
> > > information about it in Stefan Göller's paper, which is in
> > > the bibliography. Link:
> > > http://www.goeller.org/ps/project.ps
> > >
> > > Manuel
> >
> > Thanks!
>
>
> According to Göller's paper, Oettingen's tuning was
> 53-edo in 3,5-space, using the schisma and semicomma
> -- 2,3,5-monzos [* 8, 1> and [* 3, 7> respectively --
> as his basis unison-vectors.
>
> This is different from the version of "5-limit" 53-edo
> usually encountered, which has a basis of the schisma
> and kleisma.
>
> I've made a Tonescape Lattice of Oettingen's version,
> using 53-edo degrees as the notation:
>
>
/tuning/files/monz/53-edo_3-5-space_oettingen-basis_lattice.gif

Actually, it's not at all clear to me whether Oettingen
used 53-edo or a 53-tone JI based on this same
periodicity-block. Göller's paper seems to be saying
that it was in fact JI.

At any rate, the source of the confusion is the fact
that 53-edo gives such a good approximation of 5-limit JI
that Göller (and many other authors, particularly in
the German literature) talk about both the tempered
and JI versions without making a sufficiently clear
distinction between them, using descriptions like
"pure" and "nearly pure" interchangeably ... so i
suppose the differences don't matter so much after all.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:

> Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
> know anything about this? What is it?
>

http://www.sim.spk-berlin.de/deutsch/shop_en/frameset_detail_artikel.
php?ID=34
cute postcards

If only the price of other instruments were as low!

----- Original Message -----
From: "threesixesinarow" <CACCOLA@NET1PLUS.COM>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 22 �ubat 2006 �ar�amba 22:46
Subject: [tuning] Re: Orthotonophonium

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Lumma" <clumma@...> wrote:
>
> > Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
> > know anything about this? What is it?
> >
>
> http://www.sim.spk-berlin.de/deutsch/shop_en/frameset_detail_artikel.
> php?ID=34
> cute postcards
>
>
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
>
> If only the price of other instruments were as low!

Usually even *postcards* cost a lot more than EUR 0,50 !!

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

That's a good one monz!

----- Original Message -----
From: "monz" <monz@tonalsoft.com>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 22 �ubat 2006 �ar�amba 23:02
Subject: [tuning] Re: Orthotonophonium

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@...> wrote:
> >
> > If only the price of other instruments were as low!
>
>
> Usually even *postcards* cost a lot more than EUR 0,50 !!
>
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software
>
>

I have posted about this in the past (which went unremarked as usual), especially concerning Wolfgang von Schweinitz's performance of the Tristan Vorspiel. A virtuoso effort by Wolfgang (an important composer BTW), and interesting to have the timbral variety reduced to that of a single harmonium, but the piece cried out for a better representation of 7-limit consonances (especially subharmonic) than 53tet can offer.

DJW

> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:44:42 -0000
From: "Carl Lumma" <clumma@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Orthotonophonium

> > Photos I made last week of von Oettingen's Orthotonophonium can
> > be seen in the photos section of this group. They're in the
> > folder "Berlin" and were made in the musical instrument museum
> > there.

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_70605/9e23/__sr_/5896.jpg?
gr4kB_DBgnYTUPW4

Wow, what I wouldn't give to get my hands on this! Does anybody
know anything about this? What is it?

-Carl