Virtual Flute... now all we need are the sounds!

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/flute/virtual/main.html

Hi Ozan.

> http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/flute/virtual/main.html

Great! Glad to know another musician who reads Prof. Wolfe's webpages. I've
been studying them for long months as I'm a flute player myself and I've
found lots of interesting matters there. I can very highly recommend them to
any flutist who likes to discover new secrets of the flute. After reading
the multiphonic fingerings, the papers about cross-fingerings and important
acoustical properties of the flute, and doing some comparisons of modern and
baroque flute properties, I managed to "invent" a new fingering for C#6 for
the modern flute. So if some of you are flutists, when you have a while, try
playing the normal fingering for D6 and add the right-hand 1st finger to
that (i.e. the F key). What you get is a C#6 of a much brighter and cleaner
sound than with the usual fingering. BTW, you may also try playing E5 with
the right trill key added (this shifts the pitch a bit so you have to turn
the flute towards you a bit for keeping good intonation).

Petr

Hi Petr,

The pleasure is all mine I'm sure. I am but an amateur when it comes to
performing on the Ney, as I can only produce some kranky sounds (semi-facial
paralysis did it in for me). Dedication is another matter, which I neglect
greatly in my theoretical pursuits.

But tell me, what do you make out of the values I produced for the Ney? Can
you introduce the equation for calculating the pitch from volume & air
pressure along with the end correction formula?

Perhaps a virtual Ney is in order. I have been working on this Ney Flash
with the help of an inspiring physicist (Paul de Haas) from Netherlands:

http://www.ozanyarman.com/anonymous/NeySounds.htm

It's still highly incomplete, and with great reluctance do I make it known
here.

Cordially,
Ozan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petr Par�zek" <p.parizek@chello.cz>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 04 Ocak 2006 �ar�amba 18:33
Subject: Re: [tuning] Virtual Flute... now all we need are the sounds!

> Hi Ozan.
>
> > http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/flute/virtual/main.html
>
> Great! Glad to know another musician who reads Prof. Wolfe's webpages.
I've
> been studying them for long months as I'm a flute player myself and I've
> found lots of interesting matters there. I can very highly recommend them
to
> any flutist who likes to discover new secrets of the flute. After reading
> the multiphonic fingerings, the papers about cross-fingerings and
important
> acoustical properties of the flute, and doing some comparisons of modern
and
> baroque flute properties, I managed to "invent" a new fingering for C#6
for
> the modern flute. So if some of you are flutists, when you have a while,
try
> playing the normal fingering for D6 and add the right-hand 1st finger to
> that (i.e. the F key). What you get is a C#6 of a much brighter and
cleaner
> sound than with the usual fingering. BTW, you may also try playing E5 with
> the right trill key added (this shifts the pitch a bit so you have to turn
> the flute towards you a bit for keeping good intonation).
>
> Petr
>
>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@o...> wrote:

> But tell me, what do you make out of the values I produced for the
Ney? Can
> you introduce the equation for calculating the pitch from volume & air
> pressure along with the end correction formula?

If you gave the length of the pipe, that would only give you the single
pitch you get with all the holes closed.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
>
>
> If you gave the length of the pipe, that would only give you the
single
> pitch you get with all the holes closed.
>

Wouldn't you you have to account for closed holes too?

Clark

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "threesixesinarow" <CACCOLA@N...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you gave the length of the pipe, that would only give you the
> single
> > pitch you get with all the holes closed.
> >
>
> Wouldn't you you have to account for closed holes too?
>
> Clark

Not really -- with all the holes closed, the instrument pretty much
acts as if it had no holes at all.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "threesixesinarow" <CACCOLA@N...>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> > <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If you gave the length of the pipe, that would only give you the
> > single
> > > pitch you get with all the holes closed.
> > >
> >
> > Wouldn't you you have to account for closed holes too?
> >
> > Clark
>
> Not really -- with all the holes closed, the instrument pretty much
> acts as if it had no holes at all.
>

http://www.rogo.com/folkstuff/fluteinstruct.html

I think there is a spreadsheet that included different tunings from
the author. http://homepages.bw.edu/~phoekje/acoustics/mahome.html

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "threesixesinarow" <CACCOLA@N...>
wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "threesixesinarow" <CACCOLA@N...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> > > <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you gave the length of the pipe, that would only give you
the
> > > single
> > > > pitch you get with all the holes closed.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Wouldn't you you have to account for closed holes too?
> > >
> > > Clark
> >
> > Not really -- with all the holes closed, the instrument pretty
much
> > acts as if it had no holes at all.
> >
>
> http://www.rogo.com/folkstuff/fluteinstruct.html

Does this contradict what I said in any way?

> I think there is a spreadsheet that included different tunings from
> the author. http://homepages.bw.edu/~phoekje/acoustics/mahome.html

This looks like it might just be somewhat helpful for the Ney project.

Hi Ozan.
You wrote:

> But tell me, what do you make out of the values I produced for the Ney?
Can
> you introduce the equation for calculating the pitch from volume & air
> pressure along with the end correction formula?

I'm very sorry but I have to disappoint you. I'm not a physicist and I'm
interested in acoustics more or less from a purely "sonic" point of view
(i.e. How a sound is made to have its characteristic properties rather than
what is the core explanation of sound). But I can tell you for sure there
are others here who can tell you more -- as you may have seen by the time I
was away.

Petr

Aw shucks. One can still hope Petr... thank you for your gracious reply
nevertheless. 8=)

Cordially,
Ozan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petr Par�zek" <p.parizek@chello.cz>
To: <tuning@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 06 Ocak 2006 Cuma 0:01
Subject: Re: [tuning] Virtual Flute... now all we need are the sounds!

> Hi Ozan.
> You wrote:
>
> > But tell me, what do you make out of the values I produced for the Ney?
> Can
> > you introduce the equation for calculating the pitch from volume & air
> > pressure along with the end correction formula?
>
> I'm very sorry but I have to disappoint you. I'm not a physicist and I'm
> interested in acoustics more or less from a purely "sonic" point of view
> (i.e. How a sound is made to have its characteristic properties rather
than
> what is the core explanation of sound). But I can tell you for sure there
> are others here who can tell you more -- as you may have seen by the time
I
> was away.
>
>
> Petr
>
>