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EDO , EDS , LDO , ADO , ..........RE: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

🔗Mohajeri Shahin <shahinm@kayson-ir.com>

12/25/2005 2:55:49 AM

Dear ozan and other

You are right . if you want to have 72 intevals with equal-string distance you must work with a system 144/144 .......144/72 . the number of degrees in such a system is double of numerary nexus.(as paul mentioned)

Now , I want to propose name of three different systems of octave divisions in 2 categories: ( may be done before by some one)

1- EDO = equal divisions which we had before = based on exponential function : R=2^(K/Y) where y is number of divisions , k is degree .

2- NDO = non-equal divisions of octave :

2-1- EDS = equal divisions of string (or vibrating air column in pipes , I don't know) : 2X/2X .............2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2- NDS = non-equal divisions of string :

2-2-1- ADO = arithmetic divisions of octave based on arithmetic series : X/X ........ 2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2-2- LDO = logarithmic divisions of octave : R=log10(x) where 10=<x=<100

.........

And other divisions due to differnt functions.

Any idea?

Shaahin Mohaajeri

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ozan Yarman
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:18 PM
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

Dear brother, I have divided not the whole of the string into 72 to parts, but only the distance between the fundamental tone and its octave. This arithmetic division yields the previously mentioned 72-tone rational tuning when you calculate the relative frequencies:

365 hz/360 hz = 73/72,

375 hz/360 hz = 25/24,

480 hz/360 hz = 4/3,

etc...

all independent of a pitch standard, and all derived with 5 hz increments from 360 hz onward.

Can you then calculate what happens when you divide the string's whole lenght into 72? You will arrive at the 36 of the tones within the octave comprised by the 72-tone system I have already given.

Cordially,

Ozan

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Sent: 24 Aralık 2005 Cumartesi 6:45

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Dear ozan

But the system you mentioned is not system of equally dividing the length of string to 72 part. Also , what is the relationship between frequency-difference of 5 hz and equal divisions of string as you know that relationship between them is stright line :

F1 , f2,f3,.........2f1

F1=f1

F2 = f1 +5

F3=f2+5=f1+10

L (f2f1)= f1/f2 = f1/f1+5

L(f3f2) = f2/f3 = f1+5/f1+10

.

.

.

You know that logic of systems such as 72/72 ..... 72/36 is equally dividing the length of string , which farabi used for his intervallic experiments.

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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

12/25/2005 7:50:14 AM

Very good brother, some examples:

53-EDO

relative frequencies=2^({1,2,3...n}/n)
in cents= 1200 * ({1,2,3...n}/n)

(tempering the octave would affect the denominator and make it an irrational number)

12-EDS:

relative frequencies= n/{ n...3, 2, 1}
in cents=1200 * log [n/{ n...3, 2, 1} ] / log 2

12/12 = 0 cents
12/11 = 150.6371 cents
12/10 = 315.6413 cents
12/9 = 498.0450 cents
12/8 = 701.9550 cents
12/7 = 933.1291 cents
12/6 = 1200.0000 cents
12/5 = 1515.6413 cents
12/4 = 1901.9550 cents
12/3 = 2400.0000 cents
12/2 = 3101.9550 cents
12/1 = 4301.9550 cents

Can you give examples along the same line for ADO and LDO?

Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mohajeri Shahin
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 25 Aralık 2005 Pazar 12:55
Subject: EDO , EDS , LDO , ADO , ..........RE: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

Dear ozan and other

You are right . if you want to have 72 intevals with equal-string distance you must work with a system 144/144 …….144/72 . the number of degrees in such a system is double of numerary nexus.(as paul mentioned)

Now , I want to propose name of three different systems of octave divisions in 2 categories: ( may be done before by some one)

1- EDO = equal divisions which we had before = based on exponential function : R=2^(K/Y) where y is number of divisions , k is degree .

2- NDO = non-equal divisions of octave :

2-1- EDS = equal divisions of string (or vibrating air column in pipes , I don't know) : 2X/2X ………….2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2- NDS = non-equal divisions of string :

2-2-1- ADO = arithmetic divisions of octave based on arithmetic series : X/X …….. 2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2-2- LDO = logarithmic divisions of octave : R=log10(x) where 10=<x=<100

………

And other divisions due to differnt functions.

Any idea?

Shaahin Mohaajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Composer

www.geocities.com/acousticsoftombak

My tombak musics : www.rhythmweb.com/gdg

My articles in ''Harmonytalk'':

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🔗Mohajeri Shahin <shahinm@kayson-ir.com>

12/27/2005 9:28:41 PM

Hi

Merry christmas to all

Dear ozan

As I told before , intervals of LDO system are calculated as R=log10(x) where 10=<x=<100. so as example , consider a scale with 8 degrees as:

X=10 ... 0.000 cent

X=12.5... 160.134 cents

X=15... 280.800 cents

X=20 .... 455.585 cents

X=25 ... 579.963 cents

X=37.5... 785.357 cents

X=50.... 917.592 cents

X=100.... 1200.000 cents

Example of ADO system is like 12/12 ...... 24/12 . we can write it as 12:13:14:......:24 . also you can write EDS as for example : 1/24 : 1/23 : 1/22 : ......... : 1/12

In 12-EDS you mentioned , the pentachord of 12/12 ....12/9 is a species of shur-tetrachordal genous .

Shaahin Mohaajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Composer

www.geocities.com/acousticsoftombak

My tombak musics : www.rhythmweb.com/gdg

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www.harmonytalk.com/archives/000288.html

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ozan Yarman
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 7:20 PM
To: Tuning List
Subject: Re: EDO , EDS , LDO , ADO , ..........RE: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

Very good brother, some examples:

53-EDO

relative frequencies=2^({1,2,3...n}/n)

in cents= 1200 * ({1,2,3...n}/n)

(tempering the octave would affect the denominator and make it an irrational number)

12-EDS:

relative frequencies= n/{ n...3, 2, 1}

in cents=1200 * log [n/{ n...3, 2, 1} ] / log 2

12/12 = 0 cents

12/11 = 150.6371 cents

12/10 = 315.6413 cents

12/9 = 498.0450 cents

12/8 = 701.9550 cents

12/7 = 933.1291 cents

12/6 = 1200.0000 cents

12/5 = 1515.6413 cents

12/4 = 1901.9550 cents

12/3 = 2400.0000 cents

12/2 = 3101.9550 cents

12/1 = 4301.9550 cents

Can you give examples along the same line for ADO and LDO?

Oz.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mohajeri Shahin <mailto:shahinm@kayson-ir.com>

To: tuning@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 25 Aralık 2005 Pazar 12:55

Subject: EDO , EDS , LDO , ADO , ..........RE: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

Dear ozan and other

You are right . if you want to have 72 intevals with equal-string distance you must work with a system 144/144 .......144/72 . the number of degrees in such a system is double of numerary nexus.(as paul mentioned)

Now , I want to propose name of three different systems of octave divisions in 2 categories: ( may be done before by some one)

1- EDO = equal divisions which we had before = based on exponential function : R=2^(K/Y) where y is number of divisions , k is degree .

2- NDO = non-equal divisions of octave :

2-1- EDS = equal divisions of string (or vibrating air column in pipes , I don't know) : 2X/2X .............2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2- NDS = non-equal divisions of string :

2-2-1- ADO = arithmetic divisions of octave based on arithmetic series : X/X ........ 2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2-2- LDO = logarithmic divisions of octave : R=log10(x) where 10=<x=<100

.........

And other divisions due to differnt functions.

Any idea?

Shaahin Mohaajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Composer

www.geocities.com/acousticsoftombak

My tombak musics : www.rhythmweb.com/gdg

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🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@ozanyarman.com>

12/31/2005 7:01:48 AM

I like this LDO scheme. Bravo! Here is an interesting scale where I have taken the log of all primes between 10 and 100:

11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97

In cents:

0
70.217
186.811
359.022
425.686
534.526
658.003
691.956
778.933
827.464
849.526
889.991
943.189
989.332
1003.429
1042.495
1066.207
1077.453
1109.036
1128.496
1155.627
1188.511
1200.000

Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Mohajeri Shahin
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 28 Aralık 2005 Çarşamba 7:28
Subject: RE: EDO , EDS , LDO , ADO , ..........RE: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

Hi

Merry christmas to all

Dear ozan

As I told before , intervals of LDO system are calculated as R=log10(x) where 10=<x=<100. so as example , consider a scale with 8 degrees as:

X=10 … 0.000 cent

X=12.5… 160.134 cents

X=15… 280.800 cents

X=20 …. 455.585 cents

X=25 … 579.963 cents

X=37.5… 785.357 cents

X=50…. 917.592 cents

X=100…. 1200.000 cents

Example of ADO system is like 12/12 …… 24/12 . we can write it as 12:13:14:……:24 . also you can write EDS as for example : 1/24 : 1/23 : 1/22 : ……… : 1/12

In 12-EDS you mentioned , the pentachord of 12/12 ….12/9 is a species of shur-tetrachordal genous .

Shaahin Mohaajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Composer

www.geocities.com/acousticsoftombak

My tombak musics : www.rhythmweb.com/gdg

My articles in ''Harmonytalk'':

www.harmonytalk.com/archives/000296.html

www.harmonytalk.com/archives/000288.html

My article in DrumDojo:

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From: tuning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ozan Yarman
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 7:20 PM
To: Tuning List
Subject: Re: EDO , EDS , LDO , ADO , ..........RE: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

Very good brother, some examples:

53-EDO

relative frequencies=2^({1,2,3...n}/n)

in cents= 1200 * ({1,2,3...n}/n)

(tempering the octave would affect the denominator and make it an irrational number)

12-EDS:

relative frequencies= n/{ n...3, 2, 1}

in cents=1200 * log [n/{ n...3, 2, 1} ] / log 2

12/12 = 0 cents

12/11 = 150.6371 cents

12/10 = 315.6413 cents

12/9 = 498.0450 cents

12/8 = 701.9550 cents

12/7 = 933.1291 cents

12/6 = 1200.0000 cents

12/5 = 1515.6413 cents

12/4 = 1901.9550 cents

12/3 = 2400.0000 cents

12/2 = 3101.9550 cents

12/1 = 4301.9550 cents

Can you give examples along the same line for ADO and LDO?

Oz.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mohajeri Shahin

To: tuning@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 25 Aralık 2005 Pazar 12:55

Subject: EDO , EDS , LDO , ADO , ..........RE: [tuning] Arithmetic divisions of a string

Dear ozan and other

You are right . if you want to have 72 intevals with equal-string distance you must work with a system 144/144 …….144/72 . the number of degrees in such a system is double of numerary nexus.(as paul mentioned)

Now , I want to propose name of three different systems of octave divisions in 2 categories: ( may be done before by some one)

1- EDO = equal divisions which we had before = based on exponential function : R=2^(K/Y) where y is number of divisions , k is degree .

2- NDO = non-equal divisions of octave :

2-1- EDS = equal divisions of string (or vibrating air column in pipes , I don't know) : 2X/2X ………….2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2- NDS = non-equal divisions of string :

2-2-1- ADO = arithmetic divisions of octave based on arithmetic series : X/X …….. 2X/X for x degrees in system.

2-2-2- LDO = logarithmic divisions of octave : R=log10(x) where 10=<x=<100

………

And other divisions due to differnt functions.

Any idea?

Shaahin Mohaajeri

Tombak Player & Researcher , Composer

www.geocities.com/acousticsoftombak

My tombak musics : www.rhythmweb.com/gdg

My articles in ''Harmonytalk'':

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