Re: microtonal music list

[David Beardsley]

>+ the Enclosure series....

I have every enclosure. The CD's are more historical than musical, and I
prefer in almost every case the CRI versions. Oedipus can be done without,
and Li Po with Ted Mook on Hutchins' tenor violin almost made the list.

>and the Birdhouse CD!

The Birdhouse CD is nice but nothing particularly good.

>La Monte Young's The Well Tuned Piano,

Sucks.

>and the Second Dream of the...,

Sucks.

>and the For Ever Bad Blues Band,

Would like to hear it. Too bad it's out of print. JI Network sold out
like a week before they received my order.

>and whatever...

Not whatever. I made the list very carefully, balancing until I had the
best for the least. I was also recommending specific albums, not just
musicians.

>And then there is Terry Riley's music...

Doesn't make the list.

>Ezra Syms,

Sucks.

>Jon Hassell,
>Joe & Matt Maneri,
>Ben Neill,

Would like to hear these, especially the Maneri.

>David Hykes,
>Glenn Branca,

Suck. Suck.

>the crowd at Johnny Reinhard's American Festival of Microtonal Music,
>and other folks I didn't think of....

If you didn't think of them, how can they be called essential?

I find it interesting that all the music you recommend happens to come from
in and around New York. Do you get kickbacks from Freenote or the Young
estate? I've read your posts for some time and haven't seen a cogent word
of music critique yet.

Carl

Message text written by Carl Lumma:

>I find it interesting that all the music you recommend happens to come
from
in and around New York. Do you get kickbacks from Freenote or the Young
estate? I've read your posts for some time and haven't seen a cogent word
of music critique yet.
<

Which begs the question: since when is repeated use of the work 'suck' to
be considered 'cogent music critique'?

I'm a Californian and have lived in Europe for a decade now and would've
put La Monte Young on my list without reservation. Young is a friend of
mine, and I do help to distribute his scores, so I am impartial, but I was
drawn to his work on its own terms long before I knew him personally and
there is certainly not a penny to made from the relationship.

As well as I can tell from the writings of Mr. Lumma, he has a very
conservative and limited taste in music. That's just fine, if a bit
disappointing in someone so young, but youth alone is surely no excuse for
us having to suffer such an unwarranted public attack on the honest tastes
and opinions of another person.

In a message dated 02/05/1999 11:29:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
clumma@nni.com writes:

> From: Carl Lumma <clumma@nni.com>
>
> [David Beardsley]
>
> >+ the Enclosure series....
>
> I have every enclosure. The CD's are more historical than musical,
and I
> prefer in almost every case the CRI versions. Oedipus can be done
without,

It's important because it's a nice size chunk of
Harry Partch's music. I'm sure that people that
are really into Partch know that there's more to his art than tuning.

> and Li Po with Ted Mook on Hutchins' tenor violin almost made the
list.
>
> >and the Birdhouse CD!
>
> The Birdhouse CD is nice but nothing particularly good.

I think it's great. Besides Jon's ultra cool guitar, Meredith's
voice is an amazing continuous pitch instrument, perfect for
micrtonality.

> >La Monte Young's The Well Tuned Piano,
>
> Sucks.
>
> >and the Second Dream of the...,
>
> Sucks.

Sorry if you don't get it....

> >and the For Ever Bad Blues Band,
>
> Would like to hear it. Too bad it's out of print. JI Network sold
out
> like a week before they received my order.

At this rate, I'd be rather suprised that you're interested in hearing
it....

> >and whatever...
>
> Not whatever. I made the list very carefully, balancing until I had
the
> best for the least. I was also recommending specific albums, not
just
> musicians.
>
> >And then there is Terry Riley's music...
>
> Doesn't make the list.

At this point I'm willing to guess that you're not too familiar with
Shri Camel.

> >Ezra Syms,
>
> Sucks.

And maybe you'd like to be a bit more specific Beavis.

> >Jon Hassell,
> >Joe & Matt Maneri,
> >Ben Neill,
>
> Would like to hear these, especially the Maneri.

Nah. You probably would'nt like any of those people either.

> >David Hykes,
> >Glenn Branca,
>
> Suck. Suck.
>
> >the crowd at Johnny Reinhard's American Festival of Microtonal
Music,
> >and other folks I didn't think of....
>
> If you didn't think of them, how can they be called essential?

Because it was 1:30 in the morning and I wanted to get it over with and
pass out.

> I find it interesting that all the music you recommend happens to
come from
> in and around New York.

Hello - Terry Riley lives in Northern California.
David Hykes - France
Jon Hassell - LA
Ezra Simms - Boston

of course, these are all just suburbs of NYC, right?

I'll add Rod Poole and Kraig Grady to the list. I didn't this morning
because I needed to go to sleep. Pat Pagano is doing some cool
stuff too, keep an ear out for him.

> Do you get kickbacks from Freenote or the Young
> estate?

I wouldn't have any connection with Freenote or MELA if I didn't
think highly of their music. It's all volunteer work anywayz...

> I've read your posts for some time and haven't seen a cogent word
> of music critique yet.

If *sucks* is your idea of music critique....well, I'll just stop here.

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> Obviously the gloves are Finally coming off on this list.

I cannot comment on the Well Tuned Piano as I have only heard several small
sections and franky yearn to hear the rest. But THe second Dream of the High
Tension Line Stepdown Transformer from the Four Dreams Of China, is
definitely Essential Microtonality as well as Process/Minimalism.
Algorithmic in construction and stupendous in realization, LaMonte Young
creates a constellation of tones that transmit as well as "Stepdown" High
information.
Frankly, Carl I thought you a bit more adventurous. Your playing would
benefit from a big spoonful of Pandit Riley. Who was modifying organs and
synths when we were just twinkles in our parents eyes.
Ezra Sims as well has made some very significant microtonal musics that do
not suck at all.

I must add Tony Conrad to this essential list if just to stir up the pot.

And thank you David I do feel we are doing some interesting things down
here. The Canals of the Atlantean Plain is pure minimalism 7s and 17s and
essential because Barbara Hero and Denny Genovese put in spectacular
performances.>>Look for the reviews soon<<

The music David mentions is varied and definitely not contained only in NY.
and since the GLoves are off my reviews of the Tuning CD shall follow.

Annoyed and disappointed
Pat

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For an essential Microtonal music list no one should be without the
entire catalogs of the following Labels:
Ocura
Avidus/Unesco
Music Du Monde/Le Chant Du Monde
JVC World sounds
Inedit

-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
www.anaphoria.com

From: Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>

>For an essential Microtonal music list no one should be without the
>entire catalogs of the following Labels:
>Ocura
>Avidus/Unesco
>Music Du Monde/Le Chant Du Monde
>JVC World sounds
>Inedit

I picked up Chant Dhrupad by The Dagar Brothers (Auvidis Ethnic)
a few weeks ago. Amazing stuff, I've been on an Hindustani music
kick for the past 2 1/2 months. I was checking out the Bros. because
I took a chance on Raga Yaman by DM Dagar on rudra vina (Nimbus).
Yaman is my pick of the 4 or 5 cds of Dhrupad style that I have.
Long and slow bendy notes.

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> I cannot comment on the Well Tuned Piano as I have only heard several small
> sections and franky yearn to hear the rest.

Lemme know if the middle or latter portions sound significantly different
from the first disk. I gave up on it "going anywhere" after about 10 minutes
into the second disk. Up to that point it seemed to be pretty much the same
music repeated over and over and over and over. It didn't even seem to me to
be minimalistic, in the sense that minimalistic music slowly evolves over
time. The Well-Tuned Piano didn't even seem to do that. But as I say, I
haven't even listened to but a quarter of it one single time, much less having
listened to it many times intensely. So maybe the problem is me.