Hurrian hymn

Monz: do you have a midi of your version of the hurrian hymn?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

> Monz: do you have a midi of your version of the hurrian hymn?

/tuning/files/monz/monzh6.mid

I know you, Gene ... what are you planning to *do* to it?

;-)

Do you know my webpage about it?

http://tonalsoft.com/monzo/babylonian/hurrian/monzh6.htm

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:

> I know you, Gene ... what are you planning to *do* to it?

To start with, I wanted to make a 50-et version of it. I made one for
Kilmer's reconstruction, which actually sounds like music. This was so
remarkable given my previous views on the musicality of the Hurrian
hymn that I thought I'd put up a web page on it.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
>
> > I know you, Gene ... what are you planning to *do* to it?
>
> To start with, I wanted to make a 50-et version of it. I made one for
> Kilmer's reconstruction, which actually sounds like music. This was so
> remarkable given my previous views on the musicality of the Hurrian
> hymn that I thought I'd put up a web page on it.

And here it is:

http://66.98.148.43/~xenharmo/hurrian.htm

Because harmony with intervals of a third without a fifth are so
prominant, I think the difference between 12 equal and 50 equal makes
for a strong advantage for 50 equal; the Hurrian Hymn in either
version to my ears sounds far more musical in that tuning.

Hi Gene,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
> >
> > > I know you, Gene ... what are you planning to *do* to it?
> >
> > To start with, I wanted to make a 50-et version of it.
> > I made one for Kilmer's reconstruction, which actually
> > sounds like music. This was so remarkable given my
> > previous views on the musicality of the Hurrian
> > hymn that I thought I'd put up a web page on it.

I know what you mean. While the scholarship regarding
the decipherment of the Babylonian and Hurrian fragments
has been exemplary, i've been far less impressed with
the musicality of the other reconstructions of the
Hurrian Hymn. In large part, that's exactly what prompted
me to make one of my own.

> And here it is:
>
> http://66.98.148.43/~xenharmo/hurrian.htm
>
> Because harmony with intervals of a third without a fifth
> are so prominant, I think the difference between 12 equal
> and 50 equal makes for a strong advantage for 50 equal;
> the Hurrian Hymn in either version to my ears sounds
> far more musical in that tuning.

I really like your 50-et tuning of my version of it!

One thing that i find particularly nice about my
reconstruction is the way the harmony progresses from
an opening on a 5th in the first line, to all those
3rds and 6ths in the next four lines, to a close
on all 5ths in the last line.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:

> One thing that i find particularly nice about my
> reconstruction is the way the harmony progresses from
> an opening on a 5th in the first line, to all those
> 3rds and 6ths in the next four lines, to a close
> on all 5ths in the last line.

Which makes it sound as if it was like a late medieval work, and
really it doesn't. Your version is rather unique and intriguing, but
my mind is a bit boggled by the idea that the Hurrians might have
written something in 11/4 time. Let's hope more discoveries get made,
and that we can piece it together better.

Hi, everyone

I'm way out of my depth on this one, so I won't try to
offer explanations or anything. Just my opinion.

I went to that page, and I listened to Kilmer's
version and to Monz's. Kilmer's sounded intriguing,
but ultimately alien and somewhat unsettling. Monz's
sounded great - still some way from what I'm used to,
but it somehow seemed to work well.

In case you're wondering, the only tuning I'm used to
other than 12-TET is adaptive "natural" tuning of
chords - in choir, we deliberately go somewhat outside
12-TET to make the chords lock properly.

Cheers,
Patty

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"monz" <monz@tonalsoft.com> writes:

> Do you know my webpage about it?
>
> http://tonalsoft.com/monzo/babylonian/hurrian/monzh6.htm

Interesting -- but in case you're not aware of it, there's a link on
that page to

<http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/sumerian/sumeriantuning.htm>

which is 404.

I did find a version, though, at

<http://web.archive.org/web/20041011020242/http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/sumerian/sumeriantuning.htm>

- Rich Holmes

Hi Rich,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Rich Holmes<rsholmes@m...> wrote:
>
> "monz" <monz@t...> writes:
>
> > Do you know my webpage about it?
> >
> > http://tonalsoft.com/monzo/babylonian/hurrian/monzh6.htm
>
> Interesting -- but in case you're not aware of it, there's
> a link on that page to
>
> <http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/sumerian/sumeriantuning.htm>
>
> which is 404.
>
> I did find a version, though, at
>
>
<http://web.archive.org/web/20041011020242/http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/sumerian/sumeriantuning.htm>

Thanks. Yes, last night i did notice that i needed to
fix that link ... but i've been really busy preparing
for a recital which my students are giving today, so
i thought i could let it slide for another day. Guess not ...

;-)

Anyway, i've fixed it now. Thanks.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software