Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning Any idea about this title?

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> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...>
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> > Hello ALL, can someone give me some idea about the following book:
> >
> > TITLE: Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, Mathematics and
> > Music from the RG Veda to Plato
> > by Ernest G. McClain,
> > ISBN: 08925-4012-5
> > Publisher: Red Wheel/Weiser
> > Publish Date: June, 1985
> >
> > Regards,
> > Haresh.
>
> There was quite a controversy (hence I will refrain
> from comment) about this book here not too long ago.
> Perhaps a search will lead you to the relevant posts?

Do a search of the archives on "McClain". We discussed
McClain here either earlier this year or last summer,
or maybe both, and also another time a couple of years ago.

I have this book and its companion, _The Pythoagrean Plato_,
and think they're great.

Gene got one useful concept out of McClain's work,
the "yantra" (look it up in the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia),
but otherwise thinks it's shoddy "scholarship", stating
opinions as facts, etc.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:

> There was quite a controversy (hence I will refrain from comment) about
> this book here not too long ago. Perhaps a search will lead you to the
> relevant posts?

I didn't find my book review, but I did find a posting on the jubilee
comma, which I neglected to add to my list of 7-limit comma names. It
seems to me better than Manuel's names for 50/49. McClain also
invented the musical yantra, which has been discussed on tuning-math.
As scholarship, it's the work of a crank, but there are other
interesting aspects to the book.

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗microtonalist <mark@equiton.waitrose.com>

> > > TITLE: Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, Mathematics and
> > > Music from the RG Veda to Plato
> > > by Ernest G. McClain,
> > > ISBN: 08925-4012-5
> > > Publisher: Red Wheel/Weiser
> > > Publish Date: June, 1985
> > >

Well, for my part, I tried to have an email correspondence with Mr
Mclain, but from the few exchanges, he is definitely an 'Atlantean',
and at best is a curiosity a la Berlitz, or Kolosimo. What I don't
understand is why a bunch of human beings want to give up the right to
have invented civilisation for themselves, but instead have to have it
handed to them by ET?

Even music, it seems is not free of this 'possibility'.

🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "microtonalist" <mark@e...> wrote:
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>
> > > > TITLE: Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods,
> > > > Mathematics and Music from the RG Veda to Plato
> > > > by Ernest G. McClain,
> > > > ISBN: 08925-4012-5
> > > > Publisher: Red Wheel/Weiser
> > > > Publish Date: June, 1985
> > > >
>
> Well, for my part, I tried to have an email correspondence
> with Mr Mclain, but from the few exchanges, he is definitely
> an 'Atlantean', and at best is a curiosity a la Berlitz, or
> Kolosimo. What I don't understand is why a bunch of human
> beings want to give up the right to have invented civilisation
> for themselves, but instead have to have it handed to them
> by ET?
>
> Even music, it seems is not free of this 'possibility'.

(I don't want to get too far into this here, as it's veering
off-topic, so any further response should go on metatuning.)

I myself am not entirely convinced that the ET theory is
impossible.

5 years ago, i spent several months engrossed in a deep study
of the Sumerians, and i'm telling you ... there are some *very*
weird things lurking in their history! These were the people
who invented writing, and therefore, as the great Sumerologist
Samual Noah Kramer titled one of his books, "History Begins
at Sumer".

It really saddens me that American government policy in Iraq
is now in the process of allowing what's left (and still
undiscovered) of their legacy to be destroyed, whether by
warfare or looting by the locals.

Yes, of course, being a level-headed scholar, i have to admit
that the ET theory of the origin of civilization is bizarre,
and a lot of writers who advocate it seem like total crackpots
... but having learned so much about the Sumerians, i
personally can't avoid a suspicion that it might be true.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗pgreenhaw@nypl.org

http://www.ernestmcclain.net/

Has anyone made mention of his webpage yet?

I was able to acquire his Meditations Through the Quran recently -- I
think the Myth of Invariance is a seminal book..... everything blossoms
from that

(not sure McClain should be thought of as having ANY parallels to the
Lovecraft, Necronomicon lineage of Sumerian thought)

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New York, NY 10023
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Do a search of the archives on "McClain". We discussed
McClain here either earlier this year or last summer,
or maybe both, and also another time a couple of years ago.

I have this book and its companion, _The Pythoagrean Plato_,
and think they're great.

Gene got one useful concept out of McClain's work,
the "yantra" (look it up in the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia),
but otherwise thinks it's shoddy "scholarship", stating
opinions as facts, etc.

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

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Reading "The Harmonic Series As Universal Scientific Constant" on his web page made me thorougly dizzy and nauseous.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:

> http://www.ernestmcclain.net/
>
> Has anyone made mention of his webpage yet?
>
> I was able to acquire his Meditations Through the Quran recently -- I
> think the Myth of Invariance is a seminal book..... everything blossoms
> from that
>
> (not sure McClain should be thought of as having ANY parallels to the
> Lovecraft, Necronomicon lineage of Sumerian thought)
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> P
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> (212) 870-1892
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>> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...>
>> wrote:
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>>> Hello ALL, can someone give me some idea about the following book:
>>>
>>> TITLE: Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, Mathematics and
>>> Music from the RG Veda to Plato
>>> by Ernest G. McClain,
>>> ISBN: 08925-4012-5
>>> Publisher: Red Wheel/Weiser
>>> Publish Date: June, 1985
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Haresh.
>>
>> There was quite a controversy (hence I will refrain
>> from comment) about this book here not too long ago.
>> Perhaps a search will lead you to the relevant posts?
>
>
>
> Do a search of the archives on "McClain". We discussed
> McClain here either earlier this year or last summer,
> or maybe both, and also another time a couple of years ago.
>
> I have this book and its companion, _The Pythoagrean Plato_,
> and think they're great.
>
> Gene got one useful concept out of McClain's work,
> the "yantra" (look it up in the Tonalsoft Encyclopedia),
> but otherwise thinks it's shoddy "scholarship", stating
> opinions as facts, etc.
>
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> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Magnus Jonsson <magnus@s...> wrote:
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> Reading "The Harmonic Series As Universal Scientific Constant" on
his web
> page made me thorougly dizzy and nauseous.
>
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 pgreenhaw@n... wrote:
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> > http://www.ernestmcclain.net/

"These basic concepts employed in my studies of ancient musical
allegory are designed to pry us lose from contemporary habits without
losing the advantages of modern precision." --Ernest McClain

I think dizzyness and nausea are a quite normal reactions to such
a "prying loose". Especially while clinging to "modern precision".

Pete

🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>

McClain seems to not be so interested in the sound as much as upholding some vision of Plato.
Which should be suspect on both accounts. His conclusions seem to lead to the 12ET and fascism in that the individual must be surpressed in the interest of the over all state.
the idea of him looking at the Quran , i find frightening, but i am always welcomed to be surprised

From: Magnus Jonsson <magnus@smartelectronix.com>
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Reading "The Harmonic Series As Universal Scientific Constant" on his web page made me thorougly dizzy and nauseous.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 pgreenhaw@nypl.org wrote:

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Any idea about this title?

🔗Haresh BAKSHI <hareshbakshi@hotmail.com>

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>

🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

🔗microtonalist <mark@equiton.waitrose.com>

🔗monz <monz@tonalsoft.com>

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

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