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Seven limit comma names

🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

10/11/2005 2:14:54 PM

Here is a list of names for seven-limit commas, in order of decreasing
size. Some listed commas do not have names, and some which do have
names have fairly grisly ones, such as "small BP diesis" or "beta5".
Any thoughts? The point of naming them is partly that then I might get
a name for the corresponding temperament.

Names of 7-limit commas

1029/1000 none
250/243 maximal diesis, porcupine comma
36/35 septimal diesis, quarter tone comma
525/512 Avicenna enharmonic diesis
128/125 diesis
49/48 slendro diesis
50/49 tritonic diesis, Erlich's decatonic comma
3125/3072 small diesis, magic comma
686/675 none
64/63 septimal comma, Archytas' comma
875/864 none
81/80 syntonic comma, comma of didymus
3125/3087 major BP diesis
2430/2401 none
2048/2025 diaschisma
245/243 minor BP diesis
126/125 small septimal comma, starling comma
4000/3969 septimal semicomma
1728/1715 orwell comma
1029/1024 gamelan residue
15625/15552 kleisma
225/224 septimal kleisma, marvel comma
19683/19600 none
16875/16807 small BP diesis
10976/10935 none
3136/3125 none
5120/5103 beta5
6144/6125 none
65625/65536 none
32805/32768 schisma
703125/702464 none
420175/419904 none
2401/2400 breedsma
4375/4374 ragisma
250047/250000 landscape comma
78125000/78121827 none

🔗Yahya Abdal-Aziz <yahya@melbpc.org.au>

10/12/2005 10:56:33 PM

Hi Gene,

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, you wrote:
>
> Here is a list of names for seven-limit commas, in order of decreasing
> size. Some listed commas do not have names, and some which do have
> names have fairly grisly ones, such as "small BP diesis" or "beta5".
> Any thoughts? The point of naming them is partly that then I might get
> a name for the corresponding temperament.
>
>
> Names of 7-limit commas
>
> 1029/1000 none
> 250/243 maximal diesis, porcupine comma
> 36/35 septimal diesis, quarter tone comma
> 525/512 Avicenna enharmonic diesis
... etc

First thought here is that, since we know better, we can now call
"Ibn Sina" by his real name, rather than the latinised "Avicenna".

Second thought is, assuming he first identified it, what did he call
this interval? That ought to give us at least a lead on naming it.

Finally, since it is 5^3/2^9, why not call it a "quintal comma"?

Regards,
Yahya

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🔗Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org>

10/13/2005 7:39:01 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" <yahya@m...> wrote:

> > 525/512 Avicenna enharmonic diesis
> ... etc
>
> First thought here is that, since we know better, we can now call
> "Ibn Sina" by his real name, rather than the latinised "Avicenna".
>
> Second thought is, assuming he first identified it, what did he call
> this interval? That ought to give us at least a lead on naming it.
>
> Finally, since it is 5^3/2^9, why not call it a "quintal comma"?

Could call it the Ibn Sina comma, or the quintalisma.

🔗wallyesterpaulrus <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>

10/14/2005 1:21:39 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" <yahya@m...> wrote:

> Finally, since it is 5^3/2^9, why not call it a "quintal comma"?

"Quintal" in music means based on fifths; i.e., based on 3/2 ratios.

🔗Yahya Abdal-Aziz <yahya@melbpc.org.au>

10/15/2005 9:27:42 AM

Hi all,

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 "wallyesterpaulrus" wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" <yahya@m...> wrote:
> > Finally, since it is 5^3/2^9, why not call it a "quintal comma"?
>
> "Quintal" in music means based on fifths; i.e., based on 3/2 ratios.

Good reason!

As distinct from meaning "based on 5". When Latin fails, what is
a neoclassicist to do, but turn to Greek? :-) "Pental", then?

But I prefer Gene's suggestion - name it for Ibn Sina instead.

Regards,
Yahya

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