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please explain to me those theories in these centuries that illustrate what you are talking about. i am sure they exist. how many of these basically drove people away from music altogether like this music did. or examples of such institutional widespread movements at these times that did not lead to further development.
In point of fact though you could go to the 14th century Ars Nova as a comparable period of musical dead end.
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>>much music of the late 20th century shows that talented individuals can >>be lead down paths that reap no rewards.
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>Yes, it was different in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries. Everybody >wrote great, memorable music. Not a single work was lame, or worth >forgetting about. >
>Nobody in the 19th century, for example, wrote lame virtuoso music that >was devoid of any depth, or even entertaining.
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Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
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>>> much music of the late 20th century shows that talented
>>> individuals can be lead down paths that reap no rewards.

I don't care much for it, but I think even if only the
composer himself enjoys it, it is still fine and well and
good.

>> Yes, it was different in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries.
>> Everybody wrote great, memorable music. Not a single work
>> was lame, or worth forgetting about.
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>> Nobody in the 19th century, for example, wrote lame virtuoso
>> music that was devoid of any depth, or even entertaining.

> please explain to me those theories in these centuries that
> illustrate what you are talking about. i am sure they exist.
> how many of these basically drove people away from music
> altogether like this music did. or examples of such institutional
> widespread movements at these times that did not lead to further
> development.

While I think I share your distaste, Kraig, for the suffocating
academic music scene of the serialists and conceptualists (or
whatever they call themselves), one must remember that while
its impact on our inheritance of classical western music was
fairly great, its impact on music as a whole was vanishingly
small. While they sat in their Ivory towers jazz, rock, and
everything else were chugging full-steam ahead.

> In point of fact though you could go to the 14th century
> Ars Nova as a comparable period of musical dead end.

Unfortunately! I much prefer it to serialism (even though
many of the techniques are in fact very similar!).

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

> In point of fact though you could go to the 14th century Ars
Nova as
> a comparable period of musical dead end.

But it wasn't a dead end. It developed into ars subtilior, one of
whose practictioners was Ciconia, whose great influence on subsequent
music was discussed a while back on this list.