all the treads

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possibly the word obscure need to be included here.

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greatly appreciated.
I like the thinking behind the blitzkrieg applied to tuning quite a step for the development of tuning. In fact we can view all ETs is the same light, applying this same mentality to lesser or more subtle degrees of this type of thinking

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New tunings do not inspire great music.
Great music inspires new tunings.

exactly! very little music gets made/discussed here. tuning theory is the reason for this group, generally not the music made with it. not that that is all bad. it's just the truth. it's good to have theoretical thinking going on. for the practical aspects of creating music with instruments, it's a bit better over in MMM.

this list did not become that way over night.
is blitzkrieg thinking the same as theoretical thinking?

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What makes a Ruckers a Ruckers?
What makes a Stradivarius a Stradivarius?
What makes a Boehm a Boehm?
What makes a Steinway a Steinway?
Resonance.

The musical qualities of new mathematically generated tunings cannot be assessed without including the subject of resonance.

This is why attempts to retune existing acoustical musical instruments generally end in failure.

I restrung my Just Keys Piano three times and retuned it four times to achieve a new tuning and resonance. But then, if you rely on an electrical circuit to produce oscillations, resonance will never be a musical or a mathematical/acoustic issue.

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I am sure that many on this list are grateful that they don't have to deal with the issue of resonance and real musical instruments and can concentrate on the metaphysical aspects of their tunings which they can thank technology for preventing them to actually manifesting in,
any form

<Such as the Maqam Music of today.
maybe it would be best to leave it alone then

<Yes, welcome to the world of Mr. Cris Forster.
I am quite happy to be in his company , here to sweep up the garbage of the obscure,

<Processes of invention and discovery are never orderly.
unfortunately true

< I wonder how Bach could compose with a keyboard tuned to pythagorean ratios. what makes you think that he did not try or did/.

<I would say: great music comes from great composers, no matter what the tuning is. (And no matter whether there is harmony or not.)

much music of the late 20th century shows that talented individuals can be lead down paths that reap no rewards.
As we begin the next century , we can look forward to more of the same.

all tunings are not created equal. the tunings around the globe often times have limited the extent in which genius can develop it's thinking, it is not to say that their are not alternatives that are a good , or better than are own, just that each and everyone has it's limits, and often these limits are more serious than others. choose ye well, cause often one's choices comes back and bites one on the ass.
it would be foolish to assume that many bach and Beethoven's haven't been born elsewhere , in which case i am sure they left their marks on their music. It is fruitful to examine what works and what hasn't and who is attracted to what and for what reason.
I seriously doubt that i personally could write music in many of the tuning proposed without being in disgusted with the sound.
-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Talk about prejudice Kraig. That's what stands in the way of scientific discovery.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Kraig Grady
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 02 Ekim 2005 Pazar 15:30
Subject: [tuning] all the treads

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>>
>
>Welcome to the Yahoo Theoretical/Hypothetical Scale Speculation
>Group.
>
>
>
possibly the word obscure need to be included here.

>
>
>
>
>
> "But only 1200-tet can approximate all just intervals to within 1 cent."
>
>
>
>

greatly appreciated.
I like the thinking behind the blitzkrieg applied to tuning quite a
step for the development of tuning. In fact we can view all ETs is the
same light, applying this same mentality to lesser or more subtle
degrees of this type of thinking

>
>
>
>

New tunings do not inspire great music.
Great music inspires new tunings.

exactly!

very little music gets made/discussed here. tuning theory is the reason for
this group, generally not the music made with it. not that that is all bad.
it's just the truth. it's good to have theoretical thinking going on. for the
practical aspects of creating music with instruments, it's a bit better over
in MMM.

this list did not become that way over night.
is blitzkrieg thinking the same as theoretical thinking?

(QUOTE)
What makes a Ruckers a Ruckers?
What makes a Stradivarius a Stradivarius?
What makes a Boehm a Boehm?
What makes a Steinway a Steinway?
Resonance.

The musical qualities of new mathematically generated tunings cannot
be assessed without including the subject of resonance.

This is why attempts to retune existing acoustical musical
instruments generally end in failure.

I restrung my Just Keys Piano three times and retuned it four times
to achieve a new tuning and resonance.

But then, if you rely on an electrical circuit to produce
oscillations, resonance will never be a musical or a
mathematical/acoustic issue.

(comment)
I am sure that many on this list are grateful that they don't have to deal with the issue of resonance and real musical instruments and can concentrate on the metaphysical aspects of their tunings which they can thank technology for preventing them to actually manifesting in,
any form

<Such as the Maqam Music of today.
maybe it would be best to leave it alone then

<Yes, welcome to the world of Mr. Cris Forster.
I am quite happy to be in his company , here to sweep up the garbage of the obscure,

<Processes of invention and discovery are never orderly.
unfortunately true

< I wonder how Bach could compose with a keyboard tuned to pythagorean ratios.

what makes you think that he did not try or did/.

<I would say: great music comes from great composers, no matter what
the tuning is. (And no matter whether there is harmony or not.)

much music of the late 20th century shows that talented individuals can be lead down paths that reap no rewards.
As we begin the next century , we can look forward to more of the same.

all tunings are not created equal. the tunings around the globe often times have limited the extent in which genius can develop it's thinking, it is not to say that their are not alternatives that are a good , or better than are own, just that each and everyone has it's limits, and often these limits are more serious than others. choose ye well, cause often one's choices comes back and bites one on the ass.
it would be foolish to assume that many bach and Beethoven's haven't been born elsewhere , in which case i am sure they left their marks on their music.
It is fruitful to examine what works and what hasn't and who is attracted to what and for what reason.
I seriously doubt that i personally could write music in many of the tuning proposed without being in disgusted with the sound.

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles