Yahoo Tuning Groups Ultimate Backup tuning To Mr. Ozan Yarman -- A Respectful Request

Dear Mr. Yarman:

The following Google Listing:

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[PDF] "Türk Müziði'nin Mikrotonal Makam Kuramý Bilgisayar Tabanlý
Ses ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat 2. Makamlar ve Seyir:
Kuramsal ve eðitsel düzlemde, yukarýda anýlan nedenlerden ...
dolayýsýyla, 1.5003 sayýsýný kesirli olarak ifade ederken, öncelikle
3/2 ...

www.notayaz.net/makale/yarmantez2.pdf

- Supplemental Result - Similar pages

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functions as a hyperlink to your PDF document entitled:

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"Türk Müziði'nin Mikrotonal Makam Kuramý Bilgisayar Tabanlý Ses-
Kümesel Çözümlemeler Iþýðýnda, Tarihsel Nazariyat Çalýþmalarýnýn
Karþýlaþtýrmalý Bir Ýncelemesi" Baþlýklý 1 Doktora Tezime Ýliþkin
Ýzleme Raporu II

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Page 14 includes the following footnote reference:

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[Footnote] 22

Al-Farabi'nin binyýldan önce verdiði aralýklara bakýldýðýnda,
mücenneb'in küçükten büyüðe doðru 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10
(EK12'deki deðerlerle karþýlaþtýrýnýz) oranlarýyla açýklanýþý, bu
yöndeki görüþümüzü doðrulamaktadýr (Bkz. Prof. Yalçýn Tura, "Türk
Musýkisinin Meseleleri", Pan Yayýncýlýk, Ýstanbul, 1988, s. 107 ve
http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm)

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While I am very pleased that you refer the reader to my webpage:

******************************

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm

******************************

I do *not* understand the parenthetical inclusion of
"Prof. Yalçýn Tura."

I am the writer of a manuscript entitled:

_Musical Mathematics: A Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning
Instruments and Analyzing Scales_.

Please visit

******************************

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/musical_mathematics.htm

******************************

to read the Table of Contents of this work.

Your Footnote 22 refers to an excerpt from _Musical Mathematics_
that consists of 19 manuscript pages.

Scholars usually give credit to writers who release substantial
amounts of text.

For example, at the website:

******************************

http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/arablute/arablute.htm

******************************

Joseph L. Monzo

credits a hyperlink to the identical webpage

in the following manner:

******************************

Forster, Cris. 2004. essay on al-Farabi's lute fretting.

******************************

With all due respect, please consider a revision of your Footnote 22
to include my name as the writer of --

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

Dear Cris Forster,

While I respect your scientific contribution to musical theory and am honored by the attention you have shown in my studies, I nevertheless think that you are nit-picking in your evaluation of a simple footnote.

Given your unfamiliarity with the usage of the Turkish language, it has been a regrettable misunderstanding on your part to assume that I was referring to Yalcin Tura as the author of your webpage.

In order alleviate the matter, let me translate the text in English to all our readers for clarity:

[Footnote] 22

When the intervals given by Alpharabius more than a millenium ago are scrutinized, the fact that mujannab is explained from smallest to largest by the ratios 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10 (compare with the values given in Appendix 12) vindicates our observation in that regard. (Cf. Prof. Yalçın Tura, "Türk Musıkisinin Meseleleri", Pan Publishing House, Istanbul, 1988, p. 107, AND http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm)

Although further detail about your webpage here is appreciable, it is not necessary or obligatory.

If for some reason you deem that the material you released in your website is insufficient as basis to be referenced by the acknowledged method of conferring, then I kindly request that you send a full copy of your book entitled:

Musical Mathematics: A Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning Instruments and Analyzing Scales_.

To my address:

Vanikoy str. nr. 59
Uskudar/Istanbul
TURKEY

In order that I may diligently make full references to it in my future studies. I will be more than pleased to refer to its numerous sections on Maqam Music in my dissertation if you deem I should have it.

I trust my request will be easier for you to fulfil as compared to my actually finding and paying for the book in Turkey.

Cordially,
Ozan Yarman

----- Original Message -----
From: Cris Forster
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11 Eylül 2005 Pazar 0:21
Subject: [tuning] To Mr. Ozan Yarman -- A Respectful Request

Dear Mr. Yarman:

The following Google Listing:

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[PDF] "Türk Müziği'nin Mikrotonal Makam Kuramı – Bilgisayar Tabanlı
Ses ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat 2. Makamlar ve Seyir:
Kuramsal ve eğitsel düzlemde, yukarıda anılan nedenlerden ...
dolayısıyla, 1.5003 sayısını kesirli olarak ifade ederken, öncelikle
3/2 ...

www.notayaz.net/makale/yarmantez2.pdf

- Supplemental Result - Similar pages

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functions as a hyperlink to your PDF document entitled:

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"Türk Müziği'nin Mikrotonal Makam Kuramı – Bilgisayar Tabanlı Ses-
Kümesel Çözümlemeler Işığında, Tarihsel Nazariyat Çalışmalarının
Karşılaştırmalı Bir İncelemesi" Başlıklı 1 Doktora Tezime İlişkin
İzleme Raporu II

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Page 14 includes the following footnote reference:

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[Footnote] 22

Al-Farabi'nin binyıldan önce verdiği aralıklara bakıldığında,
mücenneb'in küçükten büyüğe doğru 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10
(EK12'deki değerlerle karşılaştırınız) oranlarıyla açıklanışı, bu
yöndeki görüşümüzü doğrulamaktadır (Bkz. Prof. Yalçın Tura, "Türk
Musıkisinin Meseleleri", Pan Yayıncılık, İstanbul, 1988, s. 107 ve
http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm)

******************************

While I am very pleased that you refer the reader to my webpage:

******************************

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm

******************************

I do *not* understand the parenthetical inclusion of
"Prof. Yalçın Tura."

I am the writer of a manuscript entitled:

_Musical Mathematics: A Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning
Instruments and Analyzing Scales_.

Please visit

******************************

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/musical_mathematics.htm

******************************

to read the Table of Contents of this work.

Your Footnote 22 refers to an excerpt from _Musical Mathematics_
that consists of 19 manuscript pages.

Scholars usually give credit to writers who release substantial
amounts of text.

For example, at the website:

******************************

http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/arablute/arablute.htm

******************************

Joseph L. Monzo

credits a hyperlink to the identical webpage

in the following manner:

******************************

Forster, Cris. 2004. essay on al-Farabi's lute fretting.

******************************

With all due respect, please consider a revision of your Footnote 22
to include my name as the writer of --

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

🔗Cris Forster <cris.forster@comcast.net>

Dear Mr. Yarman

...and Cris Forster's http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-
Farabi's_'Uds.htm)

would have made me very happy.

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

[Footnote] 22

When the intervals given by Alpharabius more than a millenium ago
are scrutinized, the fact that mujannab is explained from smallest
to largest by the ratios 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10 (compare
with the values given in Appendix 12) vindicates our observation in
that regard. (Cf. Prof. Yalçýn Tura, "Türk Musýkisinin Meseleleri",
Pan Publishing House, Istanbul, 1988, p. 107, and Cris Forster's
http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm)

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...> wrote:
> Dear Cris Forster,
>
> While I respect your scientific contribution to musical theory and
am honored by the attention you have shown in my studies, I
nevertheless think that you are nit-picking in your evaluation of a
simple footnote.
>
> Given your unfamiliarity with the usage of the Turkish language,
it has been a regrettable misunderstanding on your part to assume
that I was referring to Yalcin Tura as the author of your webpage.
>
> In order alleviate the matter, let me translate the text in
English to all our readers for clarity:
>
> [Footnote] 22
>
> When the intervals given by Alpharabius more than a millenium ago
are scrutinized, the fact that mujannab is explained from smallest
to largest by the ratios 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10 (compare
with the values given in Appendix 12) vindicates our observation in
that regard. (Cf. Prof. Yalçýn Tura, "Türk Musýkisinin Meseleleri",
Pan Publishing House, Istanbul, 1988, p. 107, AND
http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm)
>
>
>
> Although further detail about your webpage here is appreciable, it
is not necessary or obligatory.
>
> If for some reason you deem that the material you released in your
website is insufficient as basis to be referenced by the
acknowledged method of conferring, then I kindly request that you
send a full copy of your book entitled:
>
>
> Musical Mathematics: A Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning
Instruments and Analyzing Scales_.
>
>
> To my address:
>
> Vanikoy str. nr. 59
> Uskudar/Istanbul
> TURKEY
>
> In order that I may diligently make full references to it in my
future studies. I will be more than pleased to refer to its numerous
sections on Maqam Music in my dissertation if you deem I should have
it.
>
> I trust my request will be easier for you to fulfil as compared to
my actually finding and paying for the book in Turkey.
>
> Cordially,
> Ozan Yarman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cris Forster
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 11 Eylül 2005 Pazar 0:21
> Subject: [tuning] To Mr. Ozan Yarman -- A Respectful Request
>
>
> Dear Mr. Yarman:
>
> The following Google Listing:
>
> ******************************
>
> [PDF] "Türk Müziði'nin Mikrotonal Makam Kuramý Bilgisayar
Tabanlý
> Ses ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat 2. Makamlar ve Seyir:
> Kuramsal ve eðitsel düzlemde, yukarýda anýlan nedenlerden ...
> dolayýsýyla, 1.5003 sayýsýný kesirli olarak ifade ederken,
öncelikle
> 3/2 ...
>
> www.notayaz.net/makale/yarmantez2.pdf
>
> - Supplemental Result - Similar pages
>
> ******************************
>
> functions as a hyperlink to your PDF document entitled:
>
> ******************************
>
> "Türk Müziði'nin Mikrotonal Makam Kuramý Bilgisayar Tabanlý
Ses-
> Kümesel Çözümlemeler Iþýðýnda, Tarihsel Nazariyat
Çalýþmalarýnýn
> Karþýlaþtýrmalý Bir Ýncelemesi" Baþlýklý 1 Doktora Tezime
Ýliþkin
> Ýzleme Raporu II
>
> ******************************
>
> Page 14 includes the following footnote reference:
>
> ******************************
>
> [Footnote] 22
>
> Al-Farabi'nin binyýldan önce verdiði aralýklara bakýldýðýnda,
> mücenneb'in küçükten büyüðe doðru 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11,
11/10
> (EK12'deki deðerlerle karþýlaþtýrýnýz) oranlarýyla açýklanýþý,
bu
> yöndeki görüþümüzü doðrulamaktadýr (Bkz. Prof. Yalçýn
Tura, "Türk
> Musýkisinin Meseleleri", Pan Yayýncýlýk, Ýstanbul, 1988, s. 107
ve
> http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm)
>
> ******************************
>
> While I am very pleased that you refer the reader to my webpage:
>
> ******************************
>
> http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm
>
> ******************************
>
> I do *not* understand the parenthetical inclusion of
> "Prof. Yalçýn Tura."
>
> I am the writer of a manuscript entitled:
>
> _Musical Mathematics: A Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning
> Instruments and Analyzing Scales_.
>
> Please visit
>
> ******************************
>
> http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/musical_mathematics.htm
>
> ******************************
>
> to read the Table of Contents of this work.
>
> Your Footnote 22 refers to an excerpt from _Musical Mathematics_
> that consists of 19 manuscript pages.
>
> Scholars usually give credit to writers who release substantial
> amounts of text.
>
> For example, at the website:
>
> ******************************
>
> http://sonic-arts.org/monzo/arablute/arablute.htm
>
> ******************************
>
> Joseph L. Monzo
>
> credits a hyperlink to the identical webpage
>
> in the following manner:
>
> ******************************
>
> Forster, Cris. 2004. essay on al-Farabi's lute fretting.
>
> ******************************
>
> With all due respect, please consider a revision of your
Footnote 22
> to include my name as the writer of --
>
> http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm
>
> Thank you for your consideration.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Cris Forster, Music Director
> www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

🔗Cris Forster <cris.forster@comcast.net>

Dear Ozan Yarman,

Thank you kindly for the inclusion of

"Cris Forster'in sitesi:"

in your Footnote 22 below:

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[Footnote]

22 Al-Farabi'nin binyD1ldan önce verdiDi aral5;klara bakD1ldD1DD1nda,
mücenneb'in küçükten büyüDe doDru 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10
(EK12'deki değerlerle karED1laEtD1rD1nD1z) oranlarD1yla açD1klanD1ED1, bu
yöndeki görüEümüzü doDrulamaktadD1r (Bkz. Prof. YalçD1n Tura, "Türk
Mus5;kisinin Meseleleri", Pan YayD1ncD1lD1k, D0stanbul, 1988, s. 107 ve
Cris Forster'in sitesi: http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-
Farabi's_'Uds.htm)

******************************

Regarding your interest in my manuscript, _Musical Mathematics: A
Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning Instruments and Analyzing
Scales_, it is not for lack of effort that the road to (now) self-
publication has been extremely difficult.

Please visit

******************************

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/index.htm

******************************

and note the following announcement at the bottom of this page:

******************************

Dear Reader,

Since July 2002, more than 100,000 visitors have logged on to
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org. Your interest has encouraged us to
plan a self-publication of Cris Forster's manuscript Musical
Mathematics: A Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning Instruments and
Analyzing Scales. To accomplish this task, we will be applying to
organizations and individuals for grants. Our goal is to go to
press in the spring of 2006, and to publish a complete and
unabridged first edition of 500 copies, with a retail cost of less
than $90.00 per book. If you would like more information on Mr.
Forster's 1300-page manuscript, please visit our Musical Mathematics
page, which shows the Table of Contents of this work.

If you would like to see Musical Mathematics in print, please write
to us so that we may include your emails and letters in our grant
applications. Kindly let us know whether you are a musician,
student, teacher, professor, instrument builder, etc., and indicate
any institutional affiliations you may have. This information will
only be used in confidential grant applications. We will honor
anyone's wish to remain anonymous.

Please send your email to:

info@Chrysalis-Foundation.org

or send your letter to:

The Chrysalis Foundation
1459 18th Street, PMB #137
San Francisco, CA 94107

Thank you for your interest and support of the Chrysalis Foundation
book publication project.

The Board of Directors

******************************

With your permission, I will include your posts regarding your
interest in _Musical Mathematics_ at the Yahoo Tuning Group in our
grant applications.

And yes, I will definitely let you know when _Musical Mathematics_
is available.

Thank you kindly for your support in this self-publication effort.

Sincerely,

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...> wrote:
> Alright, I have made the requested addition to the PDF file in my
website. However, I trust you will not forsake me the benefit of
investigating your book.
>
> Cordially,
> Ozan Yarman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cris Forster
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 11 Eylül 2005 Pazar 6:19
> Subject: [tuning] Re: To Mr. Ozan Yarman -- A Respectful Request
>
>
> Dear Mr. Yarman
>
> ...and Cris Forster's http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-
> Farabi's_'Uds.htm)
>
> would have made me very happy.
>
> Cris Forster, Music Director
> www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org
>
>
> [Footnote] 22
>
> When the intervals given by Alpharabius more than a millenium
ago
> are scrutinized, the fact that mujannab is explained from
smallest
> to largest by the ratios 15/14, 14/13, 13/12, 12/11, 11/10
(compare
> with the values given in Appendix 12) vindicates our observation
in
> that regard. (Cf. Prof. Yalçýn Tura, "Türk Musýkisinin
Meseleleri",
> Pan Publishing House, Istanbul, 1988, p. 107, and Cris Forster's
> http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm)

🔗Ozan Yarman <ozanyarman@superonline.com>

I would be delighted if you could at least provide the chapters on Maqam Music in PDF format as a sign of goodwill and to assist in my dissertation, so that I may use them as reference, seeing as I do not have the liberty of spending 90 US dollars for your unpublished book at this juncture.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Cris Forster
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11 Eylül 2005 Pazar 17:22
Subject: [tuning] Re: To Mr. Ozan Yarman -- A Respectful Request

Dear Ozan Yarman,

Thank you kindly for the inclusion of

"…Cris Forster'in sitesi:…"

in your Footnote 22 below:

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[Footnote]

SNIPPED

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Please visit

******************************

http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/index.htm

******************************

and note the following announcement at the bottom of this page:

******************************

Dear Reader,

Please send your email to:

info@Chrysalis-Foundation.org

or send your letter to:

The Chrysalis Foundation
1459 18th Street, PMB #137
San Francisco, CA 94107

Thank you for your interest and support of the Chrysalis Foundation
book publication project.

The Board of Directors

******************************

With your permission, I will include your posts regarding your
interest in _Musical Mathematics_ at the Yahoo Tuning Group in our
grant applications.

And yes, I will definitely let you know when _Musical Mathematics_
is available.

Thank you kindly for your support in this self-publication effort.

Sincerely,

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

🔗Cris Forster <cris.forster@comcast.net>

Currently, my manuscript is *not* for sale; our "...goal..."
is to publish and sell the book in 2006.

The Board of Directors of the Chrysalis Foundation has requested
that I do not release any more pages while filing grant application
proposals.

Sincerely,

Cris

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@s...> wrote:
> I would be delighted if you could at least provide the chapters on
Maqam Music in PDF format as a sign of goodwill and to assist in my
dissertation, so that I may use them as reference, seeing as I do
not have the liberty of spending 90 US dollars for your unpublished
book at this juncture.
>
> Cordially,
> Ozan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cris Forster
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 11 Eylül 2005 Pazar 17:22
> Subject: [tuning] Re: To Mr. Ozan Yarman -- A Respectful Request
>
>
> Dear Ozan Yarman,
>
> Thank you kindly for the inclusion of
>
> "Cris Forster'in sitesi:"
>
> in your Footnote 22 below:
>
> ******************************
>
> [Footnote]
>
> SNIPPED
>
> ******************************
>
> Regarding your interest in my manuscript, _Musical Mathematics:
A
> Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning Instruments and Analyzing
> Scales_, it is not for lack of effort that the road to (now)
self-
> publication has been extremely difficult.
>
> Please visit
>
> ******************************
>
> http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/index.htm
>
> ******************************
>
> and note the following announcement at the bottom of this page:
>
> ******************************
>
> Dear Reader,
>
> Since July 2002, more than 100,000 visitors have logged on to
> www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org. Your interest has encouraged us
to
> plan a self-publication of Cris Forster's manuscript Musical
> Mathematics: A Practice in the Mathematics of Tuning Instruments
and
> Analyzing Scales. To accomplish this task, we will be applying
to
> organizations and individuals for grants. Our goal is to go to
> press in the spring of 2006, and to publish a complete and
> unabridged first edition of 500 copies, with a retail cost of
less
> than $90.00 per book. If you would like more information on Mr.
> Forster's 1300-page manuscript, please visit our Musical
Mathematics
> page, which shows the Table of Contents of this work.
>
> If you would like to see Musical Mathematics in print, please
write
> to us so that we may include your emails and letters in our
grant
> applications. Kindly let us know whether you are a musician,
> student, teacher, professor, instrument builder, etc., and
indicate
> any institutional affiliations you may have. This information
will
> only be used in confidential grant applications. We will honor
> anyone's wish to remain anonymous.
>
> Please send your email to:
>
> info@C...
>
> or send your letter to:
>
> The Chrysalis Foundation
> 1459 18th Street, PMB #137
> San Francisco, CA 94107
>
> Thank you for your interest and support of the Chrysalis
Foundation
> book publication project.
>
> The Board of Directors
>
> ******************************
>
> With your permission, I will include your posts regarding your
> interest in _Musical Mathematics_ at the Yahoo Tuning Group in
our
> grant applications.
>
> And yes, I will definitely let you know when _Musical
Mathematics_
> is available.
>
> Thank you kindly for your support in this self-publication
effort.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Cris Forster, Music Director
> www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org