Mahler and creativity

With all the discussions by Monz about Mahler, I thought this would be of
interest:

Mahler had suffered serious depression for years. Freud believed he had
helped the composer during their encounter. However, music historian Eveline
Nikkels has another point of view, and says "Mahler never completed another work".
She adds that: "His love for his wife Alma, who was having an affair with the
young architect Walter Gropius, became more important than music and he put all
his energy into regaining Alma's love. His life as a composer was over. Most
of my colleagues disagree, but I think Freud destroyed Mahler's creativity."

Johnny

Thanks, Johnny.

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@a... wrote:
> With all the discussions by Monz about Mahler, I thought this would
be of
> interest:
>
> Mahler had suffered serious depression for years. Freud believed he had
> helped the composer during their encounter. However, music historian
Eveline
> Nikkels has another point of view, and says "Mahler never completed
another work".
> She adds that: "His love for his wife Alma, who was having an affair
with the
> young architect Walter Gropius, became more important than music and
he put all
> his energy into regaining Alma's love. His life as a composer was
over. Most
> of my colleagues disagree, but I think Freud destroyed Mahler's
creativity."
>
> Johnny

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/critic/feature/0,1169,1364992,00.html

This encounter was in Summer 1910. Mahler died in Spring 1911. As far
as I know, Mahler was working on his Tenth Symphony right up to his
last illness. The Tenth was finished in short score, and is as great a
masterpiece as any of the other 9.

'He never completed another work' is a misleading way of putting it,
to say the least. Freud cannot be responsible for the fact that Mahler
died before he could finish orchestrating his 90-minute symphony.

What sort of music historian makes stupid claims like that?

~~~T~~~

Maybe the real truth is that Freud never wrote another good book after meeting Mahler

>
>This encounter was in Summer 1910. Mahler died in Spring 1911. As far
>as I know, Mahler was working on his Tenth Symphony right up to his
>last illness. The Tenth was finished in short score, and is as great a
>masterpiece as any of the other 9. >
>'He never completed another work' is a misleading way of putting it,
>to say the least. Freud cannot be responsible for the fact that Mahler
>died before he could finish orchestrating his 90-minute symphony.
>
>What sort of music historian makes stupid claims like that?
>
>~~~T~~~
>
>
> >

--
Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

Freud's _Civilization and Its Discontents_ (1930) may not be
a great book, but it is definitely a good book. I have thought
about it for the past 35 years.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> Maybe the real truth is that Freud never wrote another good book
after
> meeting Mahler
>
> >
> >This encounter was in Summer 1910. Mahler died in Spring 1911. As
far
> >as I know, Mahler was working on his Tenth Symphony right up to
his
> >last illness. The Tenth was finished in short score, and is as
great a
> >masterpiece as any of the other 9.
> >
> >'He never completed another work' is a misleading way of putting
it,
> >to say the least. Freud cannot be responsible for the fact that
Mahler
> >died before he could finish orchestrating his 90-minute symphony.
> >
> >What sort of music historian makes stupid claims like that?
> >
> >~~~T~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island <http://anaphoria.com/>
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU <http://www.kxlu.com/main.html> 88.9 FM Wed 8-9 pm Los Angeles

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Dent" <stringph@g...> wrote:

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/critic/feature/0,1169,1364992,00.html
>
> This encounter was in Summer 1910. Mahler died in Spring 1911.
> As far as I know, Mahler was working on his Tenth Symphony right
> up to his last illness. The Tenth was finished in short score,
> and is as great a masterpiece as any of the other 9.
>
> 'He never completed another work' is a misleading way of
> putting it, to say the least. Freud cannot be responsible
> for the fact that Mahler died before he could finish
> orchestrating his 90-minute symphony.
>
> What sort of music historian makes stupid claims like that?

Johnny posted this here because he knew i'd see it here.
Unless we're going to get into a discussion of what the
10th sounds like in meantone tuning (which, BTW, *is* coming
down the road from me at some point in the future!),
it's off-topic for this list and really belongs on the
metatuning list. Please send all future response there.

-monz