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🔗Neil Haverstick <microstick@msn.com>

8/30/2005 3:51:19 PM

Heyhey...I'm reading "Analog Days," a great book about Bob Moog and others who invented synthesizers...and, there's a chapter on Malcolm Cecil and Bob Margouleff, who had a project called Tonto's Expanding Headband, which I had heard of back then. But, what's interesting is that Cecil says about the tune "Riversong:" "I was of the belief that this was the beginning of the music I'd been talking about all along, which had nothing to do with Western scales. In fact, 'River Song' is in seventeen tone...it was the first instrument I was able to tune to seventeen tone." So he was doing this in the early 1970's...does anybody here know of the album they did, "Zero Time?" Is Cecil still around, doing microtonal music somewhere? And, is the album on CD, and is it worth a listen? I'm curious...best...HHH
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🔗Jon Szanto <jszanto@cox.net>

8/30/2005 4:53:49 PM

Neil,

Aw, you're giving away your hippie roots!

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Haverstick" <microstick@m...> wrote:
> ...and, there's a chapter on Malcolm Cecil and Bob Margouleff,
> who had a project called Tonto's Expanding Headband

http://www.kneeling.co.uk/pages/tonto/

Cheers,
Jon

🔗Seth Austen <seth@sethausten.com>

8/30/2005 7:01:03 PM

On Aug 30, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Neil Haverstick wrote:

> to do with Western scales. In fact, 'River Song' is in seventeen > tone...it
> was the first instrument I was able to tune to seventeen tone." So he > was
> doing this in the early 1970's...does anybody here know of the album > they
> did, "Zero Time?" Is Cecil still around, doing microtonal music > somewhere?

Malcolm Cecil is still around, and was recently interviewed in an issue of TapeOp,

Seth
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🔗Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@anaphoria.com>

8/30/2005 8:37:57 PM

tuning@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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>There are 25 messages in this issue.
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>Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Re: convert cents to vps (was: Digest Number 3634)
> From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@superonline.com>
> 2. Re: Re: Further doubts about Lehman's 'Bach' scale
> From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@superonline.com>
> 3. Re: Re: Proportional stretch function
> From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@superonline.com>
> 4. Re: Re: Further doubts about Lehman's 'Bach' scale
> From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@superonline.com>
> 5. Lehman-Bach temperament on BBC radio (was: Re: Further doubts ..)
> From: "Brad Lehman" <bpl@umich.edu>
> 6. Re: Temperament (Extra)ordinare! (Was: Further doubts ...)
> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>
> 7. Re: Temperament (Extra)ordinare! (Was: Further doubts ...)
> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>
> 8. Re: Temperament (Extra)ordinare! (Was: Further doubts ...)
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I saw this animal at mark motherbaugh studio about 8 years ago at his studio on the sunset strip.
it took up the whole bottom floor.
he was using it.

>Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:51:19 -0600
> From: "Neil Haverstick" <microstick@msn.com>
>Subject: >TONTtontoO
>TONTO Heyhey...I'm reading "Analog Days," a great book about Bob Moog and >others who invented synthesizers...and, there's a chapter on Malcolm Cecil >and Bob Margouleff, who had a project called Tonto's Expanding Headband, >which I had heard of back then. But, what's interesting is that Cecil says >about the tune "Riversong:" "I was of the belief that this was the >beginning of the music I'd been talking about all along, which had nothing >to do with Western scales. In fact, 'River Song' is in seventeen tone...it >was the first instrument I was able to tune to seventeen tone." So he was >doing this in the early 1970's...does anybody here know of the album they >did, "Zero Time?" Is Cecil still around, doing microtonal music somewhere? >And, is the album on CD, and is it worth a listen? I'm curious...best...HHH
>microstick.net
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>Message: 23 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:53:49 -0000
> From: "Jon Szanto" <jszanto@cox.net>
>Subject: Re: TONTO
>
>Neil,
>
>Aw, you're giving away your hippie roots!
>
>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Haverstick" <microstick@m...> wrote:
> >
>>...and, there's a chapter on Malcolm Cecil and Bob Margouleff, >>who had a project called Tonto's Expanding Headband
>> >>
>
>http://www.kneeling.co.uk/pages/tonto/
>
>Cheers,
>Jon
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>Message: 24 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:01:03 -0400
> From: Seth Austen <seth@sethausten.com>
>Subject: Re: TONTO
>
>On Aug 30, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Neil Haverstick wrote:
>
> >
>>to do with Western scales. In fact, 'River Song' is in seventeen >>tone...it
>>was the first instrument I was able to tune to seventeen tone." So he >>was
>>doing this in the early 1970's...does anybody here know of the album >>they
>>did, "Zero Time?" Is Cecil still around, doing microtonal music >>somewhere?
>> >>
>
>Malcolm Cecil is still around, and was recently interviewed in an issue >of TapeOp,
>
>Seth
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>Message: 25 > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:20:08 -0500
> From: Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>
>Subject: Killing the Buddha of well-temperament
>
>
>Hello one and all,
>
>In the ensuing dialog about various well-temperaments, Lehman's vs. >Werckmeister vs. Neidhardt vs. Secor's vs. Wendell vs. 1/7 comma or 1/6-comma >modified meantones vs. Vallotti or Young or Vallotti/Young, I did an >experiment: I loaded these tunings into my synth one after the other and >played various chords and bits of music and decided that arguing the virtues >of one over the other is really just an enormous waste of time. I really >*could* hear differences, but they are more noticable to the tuner, and so >subtle I think that they would mostly go unnoticed in a perfomance, except >that the ones with more Pythagorean thirds would sound a bit more jangle-y >and aggressive. >
>I say this knowing full well that I have really, really fine ears, and many of >you do to.
>
>I'm willing to put this to test with anyone who would challenge me....!!!
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>Best,
>Aaron.
>
>P.S. I'm well aware that I'm implicating myself here, i.e. to say, I 'waste my >time' arguing the virtues of my pet tunings over others (eg. my >pro-NeidhardtI position vs. Johnny Reinhard's pro-WerckIII position.)
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🔗Manuel Op de Coul <coul@hccnet.nl>

9/1/2005 4:08:37 AM

I have this album, and never knew that the track River Song is in seventeen
tone. It's a nice album, hadn't played it in a long time. My copy is a bit
scratchy, and the sleeve different than the photo on the website.
Too bad the CD is no longer available. The electronic music of the seventies
is so much better than what came after.

Manuel

🔗David Beardsley <db@biink.com>

9/1/2005 10:31:48 AM

Manuel Op de Coul wrote:

>I have this album, and never knew that the track River Song is in seventeen
>tone. It's a nice album, hadn't played it in a long time. My copy is a bit
>scratchy, and the sleeve different than the photo on the website.
>Too bad the CD is no longer available. The electronic music of the seventies
>is so much better than what came after.
> >
I have the CD but can't find the damm thing.

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