salinas 19tone

Hi Everyone -

I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale by Salinas. Barbour says it's an
ET scale, but when I open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals are Just - 1/1, 24/25,
16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96, 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.

Thank you.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh" <centeroftownkh@y...>
wrote:

> Hi Everyone -
>
> I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale by
Salinas. Barbour says it's an
> ET scale, but when I open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals
are Just - 1/1, 24/25,
> 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96, 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16,
8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
> 16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.
>
> Thank you.

Salinas's 19-note scale was definitely not just. He did mention a 24-
note just scale but this was for theoretical, not practical, use. The
three tunings Salinas considered for practical use were all
meantones: 1/4-comma meantone, 2/7-comma meantone, and 1/3-comma
meantone. I believe Salinas used all three carried out to 19 notes,
with his 19-note keyboard. He found the 1/3-comma version 'languid'
but seems not to have noticed that it is nearly identical to 19-note
equal temperament, a system without wolves and with much more
modulational freedom than the other tunings.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh" <centeroftownkh@y...
>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone -
> >
> > I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale
> > by Salinas. Barbour says it's an ET scale, but when I
> > open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals are
> > Just - 1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96,
> > 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
> > 16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.
> >
> > Thank you.
>
> Salinas's 19-note scale was definitely not just. He did
> mention a 24-note just scale but this was for theoretical,
> not practical, use. The three tunings Salinas considered
> for practical use were all meantones: 1/4-comma meantone,
> 2/7-comma meantone, and 1/3-comma meantone. I believe
> Salinas used all three carried out to 19 notes, with
> his 19-note keyboard. He found the 1/3-comma version
> 'languid' but seems not to have noticed that it is nearly
> identical to 19-note equal temperament, a system without
> wolves and with much more modulational freedom than the
> other tunings.

I have a lot about Salinas's 19-tone 1/3-comma meantone here:

http://tonalsoft.com/enc/number/19edo.aspx#salinas

-monz
http://tonalsoft.com
Tonescape microtonal music software

Thanks so much! It'll take a while to digest.
kh

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
>
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
<centeroftownkh@y...
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Everyone -
> > >
> > > I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale
> > > by Salinas. Barbour says it's an ET scale, but when I
> > > open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals are
> > > Just - 1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96,
> > > 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
> > > 16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> >
> > Salinas's 19-note scale was definitely not just. He did
> > mention a 24-note just scale but this was for theoretical,
> > not practical, use. The three tunings Salinas considered
> > for practical use were all meantones: 1/4-comma meantone,
> > 2/7-comma meantone, and 1/3-comma meantone. I believe
> > Salinas used all three carried out to 19 notes, with
> > his 19-note keyboard. He found the 1/3-comma version
> > 'languid' but seems not to have noticed that it is nearly
> > identical to 19-note equal temperament, a system without
> > wolves and with much more modulational freedom than the
> > other tunings.
>
>
> I have a lot about Salinas's 19-tone 1/3-comma meantone here:
>
> http://tonalsoft.com/enc/number/19edo.aspx#salinas
>
>
>
> -monz
> http://tonalsoft.com
> Tonescape microtonal music software

Okay, but are the ratios below "just" ratios?
kh

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh" <centeroftownkh@y...> wrote:
> Thanks so much! It'll take a while to digest.
> kh
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> > <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
> <centeroftownkh@y...
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Everyone -
> > > >
> > > > I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale
> > > > by Salinas. Barbour says it's an ET scale, but when I
> > > > open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals are
> > > > Just - 1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96,
> > > > 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
> > > > 16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Salinas's 19-note scale was definitely not just. He did
> > > mention a 24-note just scale but this was for theoretical,
> > > not practical, use. The three tunings Salinas considered
> > > for practical use were all meantones: 1/4-comma meantone,
> > > 2/7-comma meantone, and 1/3-comma meantone. I believe
> > > Salinas used all three carried out to 19 notes, with
> > > his 19-note keyboard. He found the 1/3-comma version
> > > 'languid' but seems not to have noticed that it is nearly
> > > identical to 19-note equal temperament, a system without
> > > wolves and with much more modulational freedom than the
> > > other tunings.
> >
> >
> > I have a lot about Salinas's 19-tone 1/3-comma meantone here:
> >
> > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/number/19edo.aspx#salinas
> >
> >
> >
> > -monz
> > http://tonalsoft.com
> > Tonescape microtonal music software

Yes, we'd all agree that {1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4,
125/96, 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72, 16/9, 15/8,
125/64 (, 2/1)} constitutes a JI scale. It just isn't Salinas's.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh" <centeroftownkh@y...>
wrote:
> Okay, but are the ratios below "just" ratios?
> kh
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
<centeroftownkh@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks so much! It'll take a while to digest.
> > kh
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> > > <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
> > <centeroftownkh@y...
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Everyone -
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale
> > > > > by Salinas. Barbour says it's an ET scale, but when I
> > > > > open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals are
> > > > > Just - 1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96,
> > > > > 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
> > > > > 16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Salinas's 19-note scale was definitely not just. He did
> > > > mention a 24-note just scale but this was for theoretical,
> > > > not practical, use. The three tunings Salinas considered
> > > > for practical use were all meantones: 1/4-comma meantone,
> > > > 2/7-comma meantone, and 1/3-comma meantone. I believe
> > > > Salinas used all three carried out to 19 notes, with
> > > > his 19-note keyboard. He found the 1/3-comma version
> > > > 'languid' but seems not to have noticed that it is nearly
> > > > identical to 19-note equal temperament, a system without
> > > > wolves and with much more modulational freedom than the
> > > > other tunings.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a lot about Salinas's 19-tone 1/3-comma meantone here:
> > >
> > > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/number/19edo.aspx#salinas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -monz
> > > http://tonalsoft.com
> > > Tonescape microtonal music software

Oh, I get it. Thanks again.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> Yes, we'd all agree that {1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4,
> 125/96, 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72, 16/9, 15/8,
> 125/64 (, 2/1)} constitutes a JI scale. It just isn't Salinas's.
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh" <centeroftownkh@y...>
> wrote:
> > Okay, but are the ratios below "just" ratios?
> > kh
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
> <centeroftownkh@y...> wrote:
> > > Thanks so much! It'll take a while to digest.
> > > kh
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
> > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> > > > <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
> > > <centeroftownkh@y...
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Everyone -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale
> > > > > > by Salinas. Barbour says it's an ET scale, but when I
> > > > > > open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals are
> > > > > > Just - 1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96,
> > > > > > 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
> > > > > > 16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Salinas's 19-note scale was definitely not just. He did
> > > > > mention a 24-note just scale but this was for theoretical,
> > > > > not practical, use. The three tunings Salinas considered
> > > > > for practical use were all meantones: 1/4-comma meantone,
> > > > > 2/7-comma meantone, and 1/3-comma meantone. I believe
> > > > > Salinas used all three carried out to 19 notes, with
> > > > > his 19-note keyboard. He found the 1/3-comma version
> > > > > 'languid' but seems not to have noticed that it is nearly
> > > > > identical to 19-note equal temperament, a system without
> > > > > wolves and with much more modulational freedom than the
> > > > > other tunings.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have a lot about Salinas's 19-tone 1/3-comma meantone here:
> > > >
> > > > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/number/19edo.aspx#salinas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -monz
> > > > http://tonalsoft.com
> > > > Tonescape microtonal music software

The 19-tone Salinas's scale included in the Max Magic Microtuner
archive was obtained from its scl equivalent file found in the Scala
archive by means of a bespoke scl-to-mtx conversion program. I still
have to check that with Scala, but I believe that the original scl
file is exactly the same, with the JI intervals as well. I will check
that asap, though.

Regards,
Victor Cerullo

> Oh, I get it. Thanks again.
>
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > Yes, we'd all agree that {1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5,
5/4,
> > 125/96, 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72, 16/9,
15/8,
> > 125/64 (, 2/1)} constitutes a JI scale. It just isn't Salinas's.
> >
> >
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
<centeroftownkh@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Okay, but are the ratios below "just" ratios?
> > > kh
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
> > <centeroftownkh@y...> wrote:
> > > > Thanks so much! It'll take a while to digest.
> > > > kh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
> > > > > <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "centeroftownkh"
> > > > <centeroftownkh@y...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Everyone -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm a little confused about the enharmonic 19-tone scale
> > > > > > > by Salinas. Barbour says it's an ET scale, but when I
> > > > > > > open it up in Maxmicrotuner all the intervals are
> > > > > > > Just - 1/1, 24/25, 16/15, 9/8, 75/64, 6/5, 5/4, 125/96,
> > > > > > > 4/3, 25/18, 64/45, 3/2, 25/16, 8/5, 5/3, 125/72,
> > > > > > > 16/9, 15/8, 125/64, 2/1. Pardon my simple-mindedness.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salinas's 19-note scale was definitely not just. He did
> > > > > > mention a 24-note just scale but this was for theoretical,
> > > > > > not practical, use. The three tunings Salinas considered
> > > > > > for practical use were all meantones: 1/4-comma meantone,
> > > > > > 2/7-comma meantone, and 1/3-comma meantone. I believe
> > > > > > Salinas used all three carried out to 19 notes, with
> > > > > > his 19-note keyboard. He found the 1/3-comma version
> > > > > > 'languid' but seems not to have noticed that it is nearly
> > > > > > identical to 19-note equal temperament, a system without
> > > > > > wolves and with much more modulational freedom than the
> > > > > > other tunings.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a lot about Salinas's 19-tone 1/3-comma meantone
here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/number/19edo.aspx#salinas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -monz
> > > > > http://tonalsoft.com
> > > > > Tonescape microtonal music software