A question about "good" vs. "bad" scales?

>This is an interesting point, but I'm not sure if I
>agree. Indeed, the number of ways to choose 7 from
>12 in an ordered way is already quite a large
>number. However, there are infinitely many just
>intonation ratios to choose scales from, but not all
>combinations are considered to be scales, at least
>not all are ever defined to be a scale. And since
>(from what I've learned) there are some properties
>for scales, not every random chosen combination from
>the set of all possible intervals would be a good
>scale.

Dear Aline Honingh,

It seems to me that you are searching for a statistical probability of
what constitutes a "good scale."

Unfortunately, statistical probabilities do not yield definitions.

Statistical probabilities presume definitions.

All my studies of distant civilizations indicate that what I may
define as a "bad scale," someone else may define as a "good
scale."

Please see Figure 29 at:

http://www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org/Ramamatya's_Vina.htm

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

>This is an interesting point, but I'm not sure if I
>agree. Indeed, the number of ways to choose 7 from
>12 in an ordered way is already quite a large
>number. However, there are infinitely many just
>intonation ratios to choose scales from, but not all
>combinations are considered to be scales, at least
>not all are ever defined to be a scale. And since
>(from what I've learned) there are some properties
>for scales, not every random chosen combination from
>the set of all possible intervals would be a good
>scale.

Dear Aline Honingh,

It seems to me that you are searching for a statistical probability of
what constitutes a "good scale."

Unfortunately, statistical probabilities do not yield definitions.

Statistical probabilities presume definitions.

All my studies of distant civilizations indicate that what I may
define as a "bad scale," someone else may define as a "good
scale."

Please see Figure 29 at:

http://www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org/Ramamatya's_Vina.htm

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

I find it to be a horrible prejudice to imply branding `alien cultures` with such derogatory adjectives as `bad` and `inferior`. `Strange` is the utmost word I would choose in my blind presumptions.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Cris Forster
To: Tuning
Sent: 24 Mayıs 2005 Salı 19:17
Subject: [tuning] A question about "good" vs. "bad" scales?

>This is an interesting point, but I'm not sure if I
>agree. Indeed, the number of ways to choose 7 from
>12 in an ordered way is already quite a large
>number. However, there are infinitely many just
>intonation ratios to choose scales from, but not all
>combinations are considered to be scales, at least
>not all are ever defined to be a scale. And since
>(from what I've learned) there are some properties
>for scales, not every random chosen combination from
>the set of all possible intervals would be a good
>scale.

Dear Aline Honingh,

It seems to me that you are searching for a statistical probability of
what constitutes a "good scale."

Unfortunately, statistical probabilities do not yield definitions.

Statistical probabilities presume definitions.

All my studies of distant civilizations indicate that what I may
define as a "bad scale," someone else may define as a "good
scale."

Please see Figure 29 at:

http://www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org/Ramamatya's_Vina.htm

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

Dear Moderator, and To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing with respect to Message # 58733.

Regarding this message, which I copied and pasted below,
I take full responsibility for my text that follows the greeting:

"Dear Aline Honingh,"

However, directly above my email, there appears an anonymous
vacuous commentary marked with quotation marks ( > ) that is
addressed to no one.

Above that appears an equally vacuous commentary signed by
Mr. Ozan Yarman, but again addressed to no one. Furthermore,
with the exception of the word "bad" (which appears once in
my text), Mr. Yarman's single quotation marks ( ` ) apparently refer
to a hallucinatory conversation he is having with himself.

Dear Mr. Yarman,

I was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
I immigrated to Berlin, Germany when I was 6.
I immigrated to New York, New York when I was 10.

I have also lived and traveled extensively in North Africa.

In the future when you want to share your 'alien cultures'
observations with the rest of the world, please do it on your own
page, or have the decency and courtesy to address the person
you are confronting by name.

Thank you.

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

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I find it to be a horrible prejudice to imply branding `alien
cultures` with such derogatory adjectives as `bad` and `inferior`.
`Strange` is the utmost word I would choose in my blind
presumptions.

Cordially,

Ozan

----- Original Message -----
From: Cris Forster
To: Tuning
Sent: 24 Mayýs 2005 Salý 19:17
Subject: [tuning] A question about "good" vs. "bad" scales?

>This is an interesting point, but I'm not sure if I
>agree. Indeed, the number of ways to choose 7 from
>12 in an ordered way is already quite a large
>number. However, there are infinitely many just
>intonation ratios to choose scales from, but not all
>combinations are considered to be scales, at least
>not all are ever defined to be a scale. And since
>(from what I've learned) there are some properties
>for scales, not every random chosen combination from
>the set of all possible intervals would be a good
>scale.

Dear Aline Honingh,

It seems to me that you are searching for a statistical probability of
what constitutes a "good scale."

Unfortunately, statistical probabilities do not yield definitions.

Statistical probabilities presume definitions.

All my studies of distant civilizations indicate that what I may
define as a "bad scale," someone else may define as a "good
scale."

Please see Figure 29 at:

http://www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org/Ramamatya's_Vina.htm

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

Mr. Cris Forster,

Perhaps it is in regards to a previous duel that increased the tension in between us, for which you and I have diligently specified the equation for exhaustively, which seems to be the cause of your recent assault on my person by calling the moderators or whomever else to your aid for something trivial at best.

Rest assured, I did not imply anyone in particular with my commentary. I just exploited the right to voice my opinion on a subject that most perplexes me, which is not very much possible around this part of the world as you should know. Afterall, I was not born in Rio, never been to Berlin, but perhaps to Cologne a several times, and though I have visited New York twice, never had the chance to live there. That is to say nothing of my world travels which would be dwarfed in comparison to your African Safaris! How should I be able to make any claims to the extent to which you are affliated with `alien cultures`?

So, silencing or choosing to silence a man who is only guilty of mild emotional turmoils when confronted with a challenging subject does not suit one like yourself, no matter how sensitive you may be to particular topics, who boasts of having sightseen the globe and taken a residence in the States. Maybe you should work on the tolerance part a little next to modesty, which I believe are essential factors in being open-minded.

Cordially,
Mr. Ozan Yarman
----- Original Message -----
From: Cris Forster
To: Tuning
Sent: 27 Mayıs 2005 Cuma 6:17
Subject: [tuning] RE: A question about "good" vs. "bad" scales?

Dear Moderator, and To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing with respect to Message # 58733.

Regarding this message, which I copied and pasted below,
I take full responsibility for my text that follows the greeting:

"Dear Aline Honingh,"

However, directly above my email, there appears an anonymous
vacuous commentary marked with quotation marks ( > ) that is
addressed to no one.

Above that appears an equally vacuous commentary signed by
Mr. Ozan Yarman, but again addressed to no one. Furthermore,
with the exception of the word "bad" (which appears once in
my text), Mr. Yarman's single quotation marks ( ` ) apparently refer
to a hallucinatory conversation he is having with himself.

Dear Mr. Yarman,

I was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
I immigrated to Berlin, Germany when I was 6.
I immigrated to New York, New York when I was 10.

I have also lived and traveled extensively in North Africa.

In the future when you want to share your 'alien cultures'
observations with the rest of the world, please do it on your own
page, or have the decency and courtesy to address the person
you are confronting by name.

Thank you.

Cris Forster, Music Director
www.Chrysalis-Foundation.org

******************************
******************************

I find it to be a horrible prejudice to imply branding `alien
cultures` with such derogatory adjectives as `bad` and `inferior`.
`Strange` is the utmost word I would choose in my blind
presumptions.

Cordially,

Ozan