Consonance and disonance - the forever arguments;-)

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Thank you (who ever it was) for raising this topic aggggggggggain.

I've been exploring this concept (on and off) for more than twenty years now; and I notice that the same tired arguments get recycled agggggain and agggggain.

My take on it is simple,

"Musical harmonics beat".

1. If you attempt to think about musical harmony from the premise that "musical harmonics/intervals" can only be at integer frequency ratios.
(i.e. the traditional paradigm); you keep on "spinning your wheels" - (faster & faster).
(You can see this by the ever more "sophisticated" (larger - yet naive) integer ratios that appear in the tuning list.)
I have watched over the years, and suspect a trend for larger and larger integer ratios to appear on the list.
Maybe someone has the time to do an analysis of postings over the years to test my hypothesis.
Nowadays, if I see an integer ratio in a posting - I just skip past it.

2. If you suspend the two-dimensional (sine wave) model, you begin to appreciate that there could be another underlying pattern.
(i.e. look at the spring - not its shadow)

For newbies to this concept you might like to look at:

http://www.lucytune.com/new_to_lt/pitch_05.html

and if you can view Mac applications or QuickTime.

http://www.lucytune.com/new_to_lt/recipe.html

Charles Lucy - lucy@harmonics.com
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Dear Charles,

I enjoy your rebuttals so much that I cannot possible imagine that you will be so quick in dismissing simple integer relationships as a viable basis for explaining the dynamic and complex structure of euphony as an element of cultural perceptions.

Nevertheless, I would be delighted to learn (and if possible, on this very list in concise terms for the layman) your take on `an alternative approach to harmonic consonance-dissonance relationship` in music theory.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Lucy
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 29 Nisan 2005 Cuma 17:19
Subject: [tuning] Consonance and disonance - the forever arguments;-)

Thank you (who ever it was) for raising this topic aggggggggggain.

I've been exploring this concept (on and off) for more than twenty years now; and I notice that the same tired arguments get recycled agggggain and agggggain.

My take on it is simple,

"Musical harmonics beat".

1. If you attempt to think about musical harmony from the premise that "musical harmonics/intervals" can only be at integer frequency ratios.
(i.e. the traditional paradigm); you keep on "spinning your wheels" - (faster & faster).
(You can see this by the ever more "sophisticated" (larger - yet naive) integer ratios that appear in the tuning list.)
I have watched over the years, and suspect a trend for larger and larger integer ratios to appear on the list.
Maybe someone has the time to do an analysis of postings over the years to test my hypothesis.
Nowadays, if I see an integer ratio in a posting - I just skip past it.

2. If you suspend the two-dimensional (sine wave) model, you begin to appreciate that there could be another underlying pattern.
(i.e. look at the spring - not its shadow)

For newbies to this concept you might like to look at:

http://www.lucytune.com/new_to_lt/pitch_05.html

and if you can view Mac applications or QuickTime.

http://www.lucytune.com/new_to_lt/recipe.html