Re: [tuning] Digest Number 3489

As far as i have ever known 53 and 29 have been considered pythagorean scales.
http://anaphoria.com/viggo.PDF

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>Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:30:22 -0500
> From: "Danny Wier" <dawiertx@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: Pythagorean notation for 53
>
>From: "Gene Ward Smith":
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> >
>>While adding any more meantone tunings to the list of Pythagorean
>>notated tunings is hardly important, I think 53 should be added to the
>>list. It would be a convenience for medieval music or anything which
>>for any reason someone wanted to tune to Pythagorean tuning, which 53
>>comes very close to.
>> >>
>
>I agree. I always wondered there was a 41-Pyth but not a 53-Pyth. (They >should add a 29-Pyth as well.)
>
>~Danny~ >
> >

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:25:26 -0000
From: "monz" <monz@tonalsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3488

hi monz, thank you for your reply -

>> My own trifling bit of
>> information to contribute
>> is: in the 1st ed. of
>> New Grove (1980), in the
>> article on horn there is a
>> page reproduced from the
>> last published manual for
>> natural horn, c. 1850, which
>> is a chart showing which
>> notes are stopped/closed,
>> and it gives different
>> fractional amounts of
>> hand-closing for enharmonic
>> notes.

>wow, i would like to get my paws on that manual!

It's there in Grove if you know any library that has the 1980 ed., I'm sure they give a reference for the manual.

>> I also once saw a late-19th/early-20th c. trombone method
>> with a chart giving different fractional slide positions
>> for enharmonics.

>and that one too!

I just happened to glance at it when I worked in a music store that dealt in antiquarian material, unfortunately I don't remember the author or any other information :(
I'm pretty sure it was European, it might possibly have been French, if not then English (i.e. I'm pretty sure it wasn't German, Italian, etc.) That might narrow it down somewhat if you ever want to undertake some bibliographical research :)

>> Related to this, I was recently listening to the Bruckner 7th,
>> and there are spots, up to a couple bars at a time or so,
>> where different orchestra sections are notated in different
>> keys, e.g. the brass will be doubling the strings, and the
>> strings are notated in a sharp key and the brass in a flat key.
>> ??

>hmm ... as soon as i read that, i thought i recalled seeing
>it too ... but i've just thumbed thru the whole score of
>Bruckner's 7th, and don't see it. can you cite movement
>and measure numbers? ... and in the case of Bruckner, we
>probably need to know which version/publisher it is too.

It's the Dover reprint of the Haas edition..some spots are: Ist movement, measures 201-203, brass have B-flat dominant, E-flat dominant, F-flat while the strings have A-sharp, D-sharp, E; Ist mvt. m. 290-301 horn 1 has flats throughout while the rest of the orchestra is in sharps; IInd mvt. m. 23-24 horns are in E-flat (sounding A-flat) while strings are in G-sharp; II m. 184 strings & ww cadence in D-flat and brass enter in C-sharp.

BTW, when I first started listening to Mahler, I especially liked the major-minor clashes, which my extremely eccentric teenaged mind thought of as a sort of incipient microtonality (something about the same tone having different inflections, don't ask for a more logical explanation than that). Maybe I intuited more than I realized..

Also I heard the Jongen Symphonie Concertante for the first time today, also my first exposure to the Disney Hall organ...my head is reeling with the sound of French (well, Belgian) dominant-sharp-fifth chords..

Chris

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