Responses: Combs, rakes, hares and hairs - splitting them

Jon Szanto wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Charles Lucy <lucy@h...> wrote:
>> "The greater the distance between the teeth of your comb (rake?); the
>> fewer the hairs (hares?) you are likely to catch."
>
> Then again, you could place the teeth so close together that you risk
> yanking out big swatches of hair. At this point in my life, I don't
> need that kind of worry. Which is one of the philosophical reasons I
> just laugh at all these many-hundreds-of-steps tunings!
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>
> From: "Ozan Yarman" <ozanyarman@superonline.com>
> Subject: Comb it ya dirty brush
>
> For that very reason, I use two thick brushes of alternate > fibrillations rather than a twitchy comb. It leaves a nice luster on > the hair follicles... (lol)

Puns etc.:

I'm pleased to see that a few people appreciate and have developed my surreal metaphors, and puns.
It seems to go with the subject (a la Ivor Darreg, who could carry them on for hours during conversations in diners.)

JND:

The reason that I am splitting hairs about the precision of tuning is more than just noticeable differences (jnd) as Hyacinth ( friend of Wizard Smith?) recently added:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Tuning

The approximations may be audibly acceptable for monophonic (single line) melodies; but ........

Not wanting to beat this to death;-)

but it is ALL ABOUT BEATING!!!!!!!!!

and beats are certainly noticeable - ask hundreds of years of piano tuners.

Let's have fun with it..

The next obvious logical direction of my reasoning here is into our perception of frequencies between approx. 4 and 16 Hz; where instead if pitches we hear tempos as the pitch/tempo reduces.

I'll resist the urge to teach grandma how to evacuate eggs - and leave it to the experts....

Emulating Harrison (LucyTuning) from pi:

Were one to search all the various fancifully-named "fractions of commas" meantone - (horrendous name for a family of tunings), and equal temperaments,
I am sure that even closer emulations to LucyTuning could be dredged up and presented as viable alternatives - (BTW the patents have expired so it's now public domain.)

Musical and composition problems with using 88 edo to emulate Harrison's ideas.

Large interval of LucyTuning is close to 14 (88edo) intervals (*5) = 70
the small interval LT is close to 9 (88edo) intervals (*2) = 18
Octave = 5L+2s = 88 (88edo) intervals.

If you wish to produce music, (as I do) it is helpful to be able to readily convert harmonies into Lucy or other microtuned renditions using MIDI and tables.

I find it much easier to use pre-prepared tuning codes, and think in Western harmonic terms directly as Large and small intervals, instead of Wholetones and semitones.
So I load the free to download codes for .tun, .scl, PBND, Logic, Melodyne or whatever into my tunings folder, and I can use whatever microtunable software in a DAW immediately and easily,
by simply selecting which table to use: 5b0s; 3b2s: 0b5s etc. for obvious Western harmonies or more "exotic" codes for others, I can immediately play and hear a wide variety of different harmonics interpretations.

see:

http://www.lucytune.com/midi_and_keyboard/pitch_bend.html

to download free codes, tables etc.

This is a more convenient way to be able to do everything that 88 edo can do, and enables me to map and immediately understand musically and harmonically what is happening -
and control the consonance and dissonance in a rational way.

Other ways of using 88edo etc. seem to be developments from Schoenberg's work and serial music, which along with shouted tuneless rap is off my "like to listen to" menu.

One fine day I intend to go harmonically beyond 88 notes per octave, and when that day comes; I'll just produce even more tuning codes ..... the future is beyond all limits - even 88 and and n/m comma meantones.

Monz wrote:
>
> philosopical difference, yes.
> mathematical difference, yes.
> audible difference, no.
>
> and thanks for the link to Harrison's description of
> the tuning. that's exactly what i wanted from you.
>

Good. so we are now agreed.

> very strange ... Yahoo posted two copies of my post.
> i deleted the second one.
>
>
> -monz

Much as I love using OSX for everything else; the mail application is a dog.
Sometimes it refuses to send immediately and emails get stuck in the out folder.
You tell it to send again, and it merely produces a duplicate; also stuck in the out folder.
When mail eventually decides to dispatch (usually after a "force quit mail", or system reboot) it sends both or more.
Let's hope Tiger next month? will provide a decent mail application.

Problems with M$ and mail? - well that's your own fault;-)

(I always seem to be slow on responses, because I chose digest form.)

Blatant Flash Cartoon plug::

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