RE: [tuning] Digest Number 3452

Paul,

You wrote -
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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:06:57 -0500
From: pgreenhaw@nypl.org
Subject: Re: Check this out

[PG] Ok -- while I realize this is not the forum for critiquing works,
[YA] You're right, it's about tuning.

[PG] it seems to me that the door was opened a while ago (i.e. the Pete
threads) --
[YA] Since when do two wrongs make a right?

[PG] It is becoming very apparent to me the differences between "theorists"
and
actual artists/musicians
[YA] Old news to all of us, I think. Besides, some people are actually
flexible enough to be _both_ ...

[PG] -- and if the idea of not knowing who Lowinsky is
[YA] Sure I know! The girl with stain on her dress, right?

[PG] not enough,
[YA] Give us a reason to care about any other Lowinsky.

[PG] now I see praises dealt for derivative, phoney kitsch --
[YA] You're assuming a hell of a lot here. For a work to be derivative,
ie unoriginal, there needs to be clear evidence that the author was
exposed to the model which you assert was copied. For a work to be
phoney, there needs to be evidence of an intent to deceive.

As to whether it is kitsch, that would have to be a subjective
judgment. Some would say that to write in the style of either
Haydn, or of the younger Mozart, or of any of the Bachs, or of GP
Telemann, today, was derivative kitsch. Others might see it as a tribute,
a homage to people who made significant and useful musical discoveries.

[PG] seriously, I don't won't to be an asshole here,
[YA] You don't?! You do a very good imitation, you know.

[PG] but this "Nomad's Song" is so inauthentic --
[YA] What's your criterion for authenticity?

[PG] Enough said
[YA] Maybe more than
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So, you didn't like the work. So, you heap contumely on it.
So, you obviously haven't convinced anyone of the value of
your views on the piece. How about offering a little
objective criticism instead of vitiriol?

Regards,
Yahya
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Brother Yahya, that would be me practicing the derivative kitsch improvising Bach style keyboard pieces. I admit that I even wrote a Prelude and a Fugue composed in homage to Bach. I think I'll just curl up and die now.

Cordially,
Ozan
----- Original Message -----
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz
To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 21 Mart 2005 Pazartesi 1:33
Subject: RE: [tuning] Digest Number 3452

As to whether it is kitsch, that would have to be a subjective
judgment. Some would say that to write in the style of either
Haydn, or of the younger Mozart, or of any of the Bachs, or of GP
Telemann, today, was derivative kitsch. Others might see it as a tribute, a homage to people who made significant and useful musical discoveries.