: Re: Count Chocula?

This Paul is a great example of your megalomania and in reality is a 'put down on Erv. Erv did not do the best illustration the CPS concept. HE IS THE INVENTOR OF THE CONCEPT. We await example of this type of mathematics before.

Also While we are on examples let me mention a few more
One the trivial difference between the original Secor interval and your little variation to claim 'Miracle as yours. Secor saw the concept long before and if you guys would have done your homework you wouldn't have dug a whole for yourself. Anyway it shows the complete lack of generosity and the outright intellectual imperialism going on.

The next one is your appropriation of the Horograms which you do by alternating the generator in opposite. directions , something i have not seen you do elsewhere . This is like claiming the chain of 5ths by alternating in opposite directions. http://sonic-arts.org/td/erlich/paul-cps.htm

where I gave Erv Wilson credit for "best single illustration of the CPS concept" among other things . . .

P.S. Sorry I remembered wrong. It appears that Erv Wilson is indeed the earliest we know of to write down any Eikosany scales. But it would be sad indeed if someone who claimed precedence had to be accused of "megalomania". Anyway, we'll have to continue this at some point in the near future . . .

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Kraig Grady
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>This Paul is a great example of your megalomania and in reality is
>a 'put down on Erv. Erv did not do the best illustration the CPS
>concept. HE IS THE INVENTOR OF THE CONCEPT.

C'mon Kraig, don't be a lunatic.

>We await example of this type of mathematics before.

Is that the royal "we"?

>Anyway it shows the complete lack of generosity and the
>outright intellectual imperialism going on.

Oh yeah, this place is full of dangerous, power-hungry academics.

> The next one is your appropriation of the Horograms which you do by
>alternating the generator in opposite. directions ,

Saints preserve us!

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:

> This Paul is a great example of your megalomania

Aha.

> and in reality is a 'put down on Erv.
> Erv did not do the best illustration the CPS concept. HE IS THE
>INVENTOR OF THE CONCEPT.

Yes, and I always gave him credit for that.

> We await example of this type of mathematics before.

See Coxeter's book, which I believe Erv himself included in his
references.

> Also While we are on examples let me mention a few more
> One the trivial difference between the original Secor interval and
>your little variation to claim 'Miracle as yours.

Claim it as mine? What on earth are you talking about? Are you
kidding me? I'd love for George Secor to chime in here. And what
trivial difference are you speaking of?

> Secor saw the concept long before and if you guys would have done
>your homework you wouldn't have dug a whole for yourself.

?

> Anyway it shows the complete lack of generosity and the outright
>intellectual imperialism going on.

Again, I'd love to hear from George Secor on whether *he* perceived
any lack of generosity in this connection. Kraig, you're either
dreaming or going by hearsay.

> The next one is your appropriation of the Horograms

I gave Erv Wilson full credit for this concept too.

>which you do >by alternating the generator in opposite. directions ,
>something i have not seen you do elsewhere . This is like claiming
>the chain of 5ths by alternating in opposite directions.

Don't get it. Claiming what? What are you trying to say here?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus"
<wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
>
> > This Paul is a great example of your megalomania
>
> Aha.
>
> > and in reality is a 'put down on Erv.
> > Erv did not do the best illustration the CPS concept. HE IS THE
> >INVENTOR OF THE CONCEPT.
>
> Yes, and I always gave him credit for that.
>
> > We await example of this type of mathematics before.
>
> See Coxeter's book, which I believe Erv himself included in his
> references.
>
> > Also While we are on examples let me mention a few more
> > One the trivial difference between the original Secor interval
and
> >your little variation to claim 'Miracle as yours.
>
> Claim it as mine? What on earth are you talking about? Are you
> kidding me? I'd love for George Secor to chime in here. And what
> trivial difference are you speaking of?

Hey, guys, please cool down! I'm sorry, but I (fortunately :-)
haven't had the time to follow this latest debacle blow by blow, so I
have no idea what this is all about. Why not let the archives speak
for themselves?

Kraig, as I recall, you were the one relayed the information from Erv
Wilson that what was being called "Miracle" was not new. Yes, here
it is:
/tuning/topicId_25489.html#25489

And here is Paul's and Dave's immediate reaction:
/tuning/topicId_25489.html#25539
and Paul's request to Monz a day later to set the record straight:
/tuning/topicId_25575.html#25591

Now here's a trivia question: Does anyone remember who first used the
term "secor" for the Miracle generator? (Hint: Ironically, it's
someone who recently complained about a lot of arbitrary names being
made up on tuning-math to identify families of temperaments and who
objected especially to names of people being used for that purpose.)
/tuning/topicId_27028.html#27028

And does anyone remember Paul's reaction?
/tuning/topicId_27028.html#27029

> > Secor saw the concept long before and if you guys would have done
> >your homework you wouldn't have dug a whole for yourself.
>
> ?

It was buried way back there in XH3 and, to the best of my knowledge,
never mentioned again by anyone (except for that brief correction I
made in XH5 for the size of the minimax generator). I was really
quite surprised that Erv remembered it after all these years.

> > Anyway it shows the complete lack of generosity and the outright
> >intellectual imperialism going on.
>
> Again, I'd love to hear from George Secor on whether *he* perceived
> any lack of generosity in this connection. Kraig, you're either
> dreaming or going by hearsay.

I haven't noticed anything of the sort, so Kraig, please drop it!

> > The next one is your appropriation of the Horograms
>
> I gave Erv Wilson full credit for this concept too.

At the request of Paul and Dave, I wrote Erv a letter late last year,
asking him to clarify a few of the issues currently in dispute. His
all-too-brief reply of "Monday December 27, 2004" included the
following piece of information:

<< The term "Horagram" comes to us from John Harrison the horologist
via Charles Lucy. ref: "Is This the Lost Music of the Spheres?" by
Charles E. H. Lucy also "An account of the Discovery of Musick"
(1775) by John Harrison, both in _Pitch_ Vol. 1 No. 2, Editor Johny
Reinhard. >>

--George