Comparative Table of Musical Intervals

Hello ALL, can you please tell me if and where Alain Danielou's encyclopedic but long out-of-print "Comparative Table of Musical Intervals" may be available?

Of course, in the mean time, Kyle Gann's Anatomy of An Octave has a very good, though briefer, table.

Thanks for your time, and regards,
Haresh.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Haresh BAKSHI" <hareshbakshi@h...>
wrote:

> Hello ALL, can you please tell me if and where
> Alain Danielou's encyclopedic but long out-of-print
> "Comparative Table of Musical Intervals" may be available?
>
> Of course, in the mean time, Kyle Gann's Anatomy of An Octave
> has a very good, though briefer, table.
>
> Thanks for your time, and regards,
> Haresh.

you'll find many of the intervals you need in my
"big list of 11-limit intervals"

http://tonalsoft.com/enc/interval-list.htm

-monz

> Hello ALL, can you please tell me if and where Alain Danielou's > encyclopedic but long out-of-print "Comparative Table of Musical > Intervals" may be available?

I was just looking at Danielou's book "Music and the Power of Sound" over lunch today. It was very interesting. I'm wondering what others think about his 53 tone tuning system. He makes the claim that it is as far as you can go for musically usable intervals. I'm sure others here have different opinions so I'm interested in hearing them. I'm also interested in how this system compares to Harry Partch's work...

Regards,
Matthew

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Johnson <musical.matthew@m...>
wrote:
> > Hello ALL, can you please tell me if and where Alain Danielou's
> > encyclopedic but long out-of-print "Comparative Table of Musical
> > Intervals" may be available?
>
> I was just looking at Danielou's book "Music and the Power of Sound"
> over lunch today. It was very interesting. I'm wondering what others
> think about his 53 tone tuning system. He makes the claim that it is
> as far as you can go for musically usable intervals. I'm sure others
> here have different opinions so I'm interested in hearing them. I'm
> also interested in how this system compares to Harry Partch's work...

I haven't read Danielou but it sounds as if there is an implicit
assumption that we are restricted to the 5-limit. For 5-limit
consonaces, 53-equal gets to within 1.4 cents of pure ratios, and one
can indeed argue that there is no advantage to going farther. However,
certainly at minimum the 7-limit has clear musical properties, and
many people would like to go to higher limits than 7. 53 does not do
nearly so well for this; only within 6.2 cents. 72 gets within 3 cents
of the pure ratios, and 99 within 1.6 cents (2.15 cents for the
9-limit), so following the same line of reasoning we might claim that
there is no longer any point in going beyond 99. However, we then can
ask, what about the 11-limit?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

> I haven't read Danielou but it sounds as if there is an
> implicit assumption that we are restricted to the 5-limit.
> For 5-limit consonaces, 53-equal gets to within 1.4 cents
> of pure ratios, and one can indeed argue that there is no
> advantage to going farther. However, certainly at minimum
> the 7-limit has clear musical properties, and many people
> would like to go to higher limits than 7. 53 does not do
> nearly so well for this; only within 6.2 cents. 72 gets
> within 3 cents of the pure ratios, and 99 within 1.6 cents
> (2.15 cents for the 9-limit), so following the same line
> of reasoning we might claim that there is no longer any
> point in going beyond 99. However, we then can ask,
> what about the 11-limit?

there is nothing implicit about Danielou's restriction
to the 5-limit: quite the contrary, he goes so far as
to call 7-limit intervals "dangerous".

hence, his approximation of 5-limit JI with 53edo.

here are some webpages which give some insight into
Danielou's ideas, extending into the vast amount of
non-musical work he's done:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/danielou.html

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/danielou2.html

http://www.pastornet.net.au/response/articles/75.htm

and the bottom of this astrology page gives quite a
bit of info on his ideas about Indian music:

http://www.fortunecity.com/athena/sallyride/1981/

-monz

Hareshji,

I have just read your post from July 27th, 2004. I
don't know where you can find a normal, printed and
bound copy of Alain Danielou's "Table Comparatif des
Intervals Musiceaux", but I have a copy of it, and I
could probably be persuaded to make you a photocopy of
it from my copy. It's over a hundred pages long. I
won't charge you for my labor in copying it, but I
would ask that you reimburse me for the cost of
copying it as well as the cost of the postage to send
it to you.

By the way, I came to be interested in microtones
(srutis) through Indian music. I've long been curious
about you. You have one of the few Hindu names to
appear on the tuning list. Do you live in the west or
the east? What is your occupation? I spent a year in
India back in 1968-1969. Jaya Hind!

--Prem Chandra (Mark Rankin)

--- Haresh BAKSHI <hareshbakshi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello ALL, can you please tell me if and where Alain
> Danielou's encyclopedic but long out-of-print
> "Comparative Table of Musical Intervals" may be
> available?
>
> Of course, in the mean time, Kyle Gann's Anatomy of
> An Octave has a very good, though briefer, table.
>
> Thanks for your time, and regards,
> Haresh.
>
>

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Hello Mark, I am happy to be on the Tuning Group, though my expectation that more Indian musicians will join the list has not been fulfilled as yet. While continuing to be guided by intuition and aesthetics, we need to learn more about objectivity in theoretical approach to Indian music. Through this Group, I am gleaning not only more information, but also the methodology of new ways of approach. The Group members are very helpful whenever I have queries (which I have -- very often).

I appreciate your kind offer. I want to assure you that I will use the copy strictly for my personal study.

I am a professional musician. I live in the U.S.

I request you to visit my web site
http://www.SoundOfIndia.com

From there we can take care of the remaining details. I am glad to have come in contact with one more interested Tuning Group member.

Thanks and regards,
Haresh.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rankin <markrankin95511@y...> wrote:
> Hareshji,
>
> I have just read your post from July 27th, 2004. I
> don't know where you can find a normal, printed and
> bound copy of Alain Danielou's "Table Comparatif des
> Intervals Musiceaux", but I have a copy of it, and I
> could probably be persuaded to make you a photocopy of
> it from my copy. It's over a hundred pages long. I
> won't charge you for my labor in copying it, but I
> would ask that you reimburse me for the cost of
> copying it as well as the cost of the postage to send
> it to you.
>
> By the way, I came to be interested in microtones
> (srutis) through Indian music. I've long been curious
> about you. You have one of the few Hindu names to
> appear on the tuning list. Do you live in the west or
> the east? What is your occupation? I spent a year in
> India back in 1968-1969. Jaya Hind!
>
> --Prem Chandra (Mark Rankin)
>
> --- Haresh BAKSHI <hareshbakshi@h...> wrote:
>
> > Hello ALL, can you please tell me if and where Alain
> > Danielou's encyclopedic but long out-of-print
> > "Comparative Table of Musical Intervals" may be
> > available?
> >
> > Of course, in the mean time, Kyle Gann's Anatomy of
> > An Octave has a very good, though briefer, table.
> >
> > Thanks for your time, and regards,
> > Haresh.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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