Objections to the current listserver

In light of this information, forwarded from another list, might I
suggest that whoever it was (Bill Alves?) who was looking into setting
up the list server on a machine he had access to continue those efforts?
Ideally our current home would be a temporary one.

--pH <manynote@lib-rary.wustl.edu> http://library.wustl.edu/~manynote
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:53:41 -0500
From: Hope Ehn Dennis Ehn <ehn@world.std.com>
To: MLA-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Sym Orch List

There are problems with onelist.com, in terms of sending unwanted
advertising and of *deliberate* violation of the privacy of subscribers.
These issues have apparently been discussed on other mailing lists, as
shown by this satement, posted on the Early Music List by a college
faculty member last May:

>A word of warning: Onelist has been discussed on another mailing list.
>They attach advertising to all messages sent through them, and compile
>demographic information on all their subscribers and pass it on to
>advertisers. Some may want to avoid any list using their services.

If these statements are correct (and I have no information that would
suggest that they aren't), I would think that anyone who does not want
people to get their E-mail addresses from the MLA-L server with the
"review" command would want to think *several* times before either
subscribing to or recommending that anyone else subscribe to *any* list at
onelist.com.

There are other lists for orchestra administrators, at locations where
advertisements are NOT added to messages, and subscribers' names are NOT
collected for passing on to advertisers. I regret that I can't supply the
addresses of such lists, as the notebook in which I kept such information
seems to have disappeared. Perhaps someone else will have that
information.

Hope Ehn <ehn@world.std.com>

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>From: Paul Hahn <Paul-Hahn@library.wustl.edu>
>
>In light of this information, forwarded from another list, might I
>suggest that whoever it was (Bill Alves?) who was looking into setting
>up the list server on a machine he had access to continue those efforts?
>Ideally our current home would be a temporary one.
>
If there is a consensus of the need to move the list, I would be happy to
set up a list here at my institution. It is fairly easy for me to do. I
don't know what to believe about onelist.com. Here's what they say on their
faq:

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How do you make money?

We are advertiser supported. We make money by selling ads on our web-site.
We also sell advertising on the emails that we send out.

What do you do with the registration information you collect?

ONElist uses the information to build composite demographic profiles of the
mailing lists. This is used by advertisers to help target ads to lists that
are most appropriate for them. ONElist strongly believes in privacy and
will never disclose an individual's registration information to anyone
without their express consent.

What is ONElist's policy on SPAM?

ONElist has taken several measures to discourage spam, or unsolicited
commercial email. Part of the registration process involves responding to
an email message that ONElist sends out. This is to ensure that every list
subscriber is using a valid email address and can therefore be held
accountable if they spam. Only subscribers to a list may send email to the
list. All archived messages on the ONElist web site have had the sending
email addresses removed. This is to eliminate address harvesting.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

This seems to suggest that they only make money by selling web-site ads and
sending out emails, not by selling email addresses. So far I haven't gotten
any email advertisements -- has anyone else? Again, I would be happy to
move the list here, but I won't do anything until there is a clear
consensus from the subscribers.

Bill

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As the one who suggested this spot let me say I did so because I got
little or no ads over the year I've been on the list. What is the
problem, a philosophical one
-- Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
www.anaphoria.com

On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Kraig Grady wrote:
> As the one who suggested this spot let me say I did so because I got
> little or no ads over the year I've been on the list.

That's good to know.

> What is the
> problem, a philosophical one

I normally get a small but fairly steady trickle of spam, so it's hard
to tell for sure, but I haven't noticed an increase since the switch.
So yes, the objection is (at this point) purely philosophical.

--pH <manynote@lib-rary.wustl.edu> http://library.wustl.edu/~manynote
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