Question about 1/4 tone in iranian scale

Hi

I have a question:

As you know in Iranian scales "quarter tone" is used ..... but it's not
the 24-ET 1/4 tone .....

It is different from one player to another due to style and his choice.
So you can see different intervals in one modalscale ( like SEGAH)
between different musicians.

I want to know that what is the intervallic range (in cent) to be
called "1/4 tone".

2- I want to introduce the new topics about tuning and scale to Iranian
musicians by translating them .... Please tell me where can I find them
(basic theory )

Shahin mohajeri

tombak player and researcher , composer

www.geocities.com/acousticsoftombak

my tombak musics : www.rhythmweb.com/gdg

Hello Mohajeri Shahin!
A belated welcome to the list.Thanks for bringing your expertise to
this subject . Iranian music is a big favorite of mine and what you say
here I have heard others state. One mid east musician said he could tell
a musician's origin within 20 miles by his intonation as well as well as
the ornaments he uses.
Do you have any connection to Khaladj by any chance (pardon if that is a
bad question) ?

There are all type of different theories represented on this list which
are not in agreement with each other .
It seems there is already so much going on in Iranian music that it
contains it own method into the future.

It seems that Darish Talai has done some interesting things with tunings
also but not sure how he rates in your book.

One paper that you might find interesting is the last page of
http://www.anaphoria.com/RAST.PDF
as it shows one possible 24 tone scale that does not use 1/4 tones

this has some interesting 22 tone scales as variations off the the 22
tone system of india which as you probably know is indebted greatly to
the persian music of the 13-14th century. just skip over the zig zag
charts for the moment and the graphs of actual rations should give an
idea of some possibilities.
http://www.anaphoria.com/trans22.PDF

a reference to all types of papers can be found at
http://www.anaphoria.com/wilson2.html

one of these is an interesting document which is persian in origin
http://www.anaphoria.com/djamidarreg.PDF
But as you can see , we only have a translation of it from a russian
translation.
If you have any access to the original and can translated . this would
be amazingly useful.
It is the most read document on my site by far
( i am sure this might be a surprise to those on this list)

An then there are other theoretical works

http://www.anaphoria.com/wilson.html
but i would start with
letter to Chalmers pertaining to MOMENTS OF SYMMETRY/TANABE CYCLE

Mohajeri Shahin wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a question:
>
> As you know in Iranian scales "quarter tone" is used �.. but it's not
> the 24-ET 1/4 tone �..
>
> It is different from one player to another due to style and his
> choice. So you can see different intervals in one modalscale ( like
> SEGAH) between different musicians.
>
> I want to know that what is the intervallic range (in cent) to be
> called "1/4 tone".
>
> 2- I want to introduce the new topics about tuning and scale to
> Iranian musicians by translating them �. Please tell me where can I
> find them (basic theory )
>
> Shahin mohajeri
>
> tombak player and researcher , composer
>
> www.geocities.com/acousticsoftombak
>
> my tombak musics : www.rhythmweb.com/gdg
>

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