Re: Digest Number 346

Glen Peterson:

>Well, if you cut a Fritz Novak fanned fretboard, (a 12tet system where
the
>bass strings are longer than the trebble ones) you have to pay him $75.
I
>saw him, and a bunch of Luthiers who paid it at a convention a few months
>ago in California. That's what patents are all about. I believe that
>Catler and Lucy have similar arrangements.

You can certainly build a fanned fingerboard for your own use without
paying
a licensing fee. Furthermore, I believe there is prior art for the Novak
system, in which case the patent may not prevent other uses.

Dan Stearns:

>When you earlier wrote "I believe Barbershop quartets do it all the
>time," how do you think that this ("root motion by irrational and
>extra-scalar intervals") is done there?

I have the results of a barbershop forum discussion on how they tune at
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/bbshop.html

Paul E- Could I post your current set of tutorials on my web page?

John Starrett
http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html

[John Starrett:]
> I have the results of a barbershop forum discussion on how they tune
at

<http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/bbshop.html>

And a very interesting model of tuning it is...

"The conclusion is that we don't use a single particular scale or
tuning. (!) The lead sings a melody line that sounds pleasing on its
own, and remains true to its key. Whenever the lead sings the tonic,
it has to be the same tonic. As I so mathematically (sorry)
pointedout in my first post, the Just Intoned scale is not suited for
these
goals. So the lead uses Pythagorean or Equal-Tempered or even some
compromise between the two -- it probably doesn't even matter, as long
as his melody sounds like a melody."

This is definitely the sort of thing I had remembered coming across
when I mentioned "near-Pythagorean" in the (vertical) context of a
tuning model that distinguishes between, and then combines, a harmonic
and a melodic tuning. Fascinating stuff - thanks for the reference
John.

Dan

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John Starrett wrote,

>Paul E- Could I post your current set of tutorials on my web page?

Sure! Part 2 will is coming up when I return to the office for work. I won't
attempt clear explanations on the weekend for I am a "wasted drunk" :)

--- You wrote:
You guys DownUnder know of any good contemporary
digeridoo players on CD that use the timbral/dronal
qualities of said instrument "to the max(ium)"?
--- end of quote ---
Ron Nagorka is a very important and experimental Australian composer whose work combines beautiful and sophisticated didj playing with just intonation. He's not nearly as well known as he should be, but he's someone whose work and ideas I respect a lot.

lp

>From: Larry.Polansky@Dartmouth.EDU (Larry Polansky)
>
>--- You wrote:
>You guys DownUnder know of any good contemporary
>digeridoo players on CD that use the timbral/dronal
>qualities of said instrument "to the max(ium)"?
>--- end of quote ---
>Ron Nagorka is a very important and experimental Australian composer whose
>work combines beautiful and sophisticated didj playing with just
>intonation. He's not nearly as well known as he should be, but he's
>someone whose work and ideas I respect a lot.
>
>lp
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>From: george zelenz <ploo@mindspring.com>
>
>>From: Larry.Polansky@Dartmouth.EDU (Larry Polansky)
>>
>>--- You wrote:
>>You guys DownUnder know of any good contemporary
>>digeridoo players on CD that use the timbral/dronal
>>qualities of said instrument "to the max(ium)"?
>>--- end of quote ---
>>Ron Nagorka is a very important and experimental Australian composer whose
>>work combines beautiful and sophisticated didj playing with just
>>intonation. He's not nearly as well known as he should be, but he's
>>someone whose work and ideas I respect a lot.
>>
>>lp
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Sorry folks, I did not mean to send this. George

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