Counterpoint examples

> Many have attempted common-practice, tonal microtonal music, though
> I don't know of anything Baroque in particular.
I just brought up Baroque since it seems to me the first point in Music History where the concepts of "major" and "minor" really began to stabilize themselves. >>For example, I recently wrote a chorale in six voices based >>on Bach's "Es ist genug" where the principal harmonies are subsets > of >>Otonalities and Utonalities within the Monophonic Fabric,
> > Sounds AWESOME. Can we hear it?
I'll find somewhere to upload the mp3's when I get back to Bowling Green -- I'm in Minneapolis visiting a friend for Twin Cities Pride this week (and to escape the rampant conservatism of Ohio...) I have the "Partch Chorale" mp3, as well as a more modern piece I wrote for a project in a Music Technology class which is entirely in the Monophonic Fabric ("Smooth Ride in a Fine-Tuned MAChine"). > When you say "1/4-comma meantone", were you using a 12-tone subset of
> this temperament, or a 19-tone one, or...?
The 12-tone version, starting the chain of 3;2's on E-flat and ending on G-sharp. I had assumed, since it was a one-to-one conversion of scale step to scale step, that all I had to do was have Scala retune the MIDI file with that scale loaded. So, I fed in an original MIDI file of "Es ist genug" (not my Partch version)... and what came out was NOT meantone in the least, and I couldn't hear any rhyme or reason to how the pitches were bending. I thought perhaps the bend range was set wrong, so I messed around with some of the preferences in the program, but the results always ended up pretty similar... and incorrect.
Is there some special keyboard map I have to load in/create? My eventual goal was to create a mapping for MIDI notes onto the Monophonic Fabric, and then simply create a MIDI file in a sequencer somewhere else and import it. But, after my smash hit with the meantone attempt, I decided not. If anyone knows how to do the meantone version in Scala, at least, I'd love to hear it...I'm sure I must be doing something stupid. :-) Eric

>I just brought up Baroque since it seems to me the first point in
>Music History where the concepts of "major" and "minor" really
>began to stabilize themselves.

The genesis of tonal music started not long before the Baroque
period.

>>>For example, I recently wrote a chorale in six voices based
>>>on Bach's "Es ist genug" where the principal harmonies are
>>>subsets of Otonalities and Utonalities within the Monophonic
>>>Fabric,
>>
>>Sounds AWESOME. Can we hear it?
>
>I'll find somewhere to upload the mp3's when I get back to
>Bowling Green

Great! I can't wait.

>> When you say "1/4-comma meantone", were you using a 12-tone
>> subset of this temperament, or a 19-tone one, or...?
>
>The 12-tone version, starting the chain of 3;2's on E-flat and
>ending on G-sharp. I had assumed, since it was a one-to-one
>conversion of scale step to scale step, that all I had to do
>was have Scala retune the MIDI file with that scale loaded.
>So, I fed in an original MIDI file of "Es ist genug" (not my
>Partch version)... and what came out was NOT meantone in the
>least, and I couldn't hear any rhyme or reason to how the
>pitches were bending. I thought perhaps the bend range was
>set wrong, so I messed around with some of the preferences in
>the program, but the results always ended up pretty similar...
>and incorrect. Is there some special keyboard map I have to
>load in/create? My eventual goal was to create a mapping for
>MIDI notes onto the Monophonic Fabric, and then simply create
>a MIDI file in a sequencer somewhere else and import it. But,
>after my smash hit with the meantone attempt, I decided not.

This sounds right. What exact Scala commands were you using?
What version of Scala? What platform?

Also, you could post your MIDI file, and maybe somebody could
take a look and see if there's anything weird about it -- have
you tried a different MIDI source file (perhaps from a
different author)?

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Eric T Knechtges" <knechtge@m...> wrote:

> > When you say "1/4-comma meantone", were you using a 12-tone subset of
> > this temperament, or a 19-tone one, or...?
> The 12-tone version, starting the chain of 3;2's on E-flat and
ending on
> G-sharp. I had assumed, since it was a one-to-one conversion of
scale step
> to scale step, that all I had to do was have Scala retune the MIDI
file with
> that scale loaded.

That's about right. You also must decide whether to use pitch bends or
MTS, and if you use MTS, you need something which will play such a
file correctly, which you probably don't have.

So, I fed in an original MIDI file of "Es ist genug"
> (not my Partch version)... and what came out was NOT meantone in the
least,
> and I couldn't hear any rhyme or reason to how the pitches were
bending.

Here's a suggestion: load both your retuned version and the original
midi up on tuning-files. I'll take a look at your retuning, and also
retune the original.

> Is there some special keyboard map I have to load in/create?

No. Retuning 12 notes to 12 other notes should be dead easy.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Eric T Knechtges" <knechtge@m...>
wrote:
>
> > Many have attempted common-practice, tonal microtonal music,
though
> > I don't know of anything Baroque in particular.
> I just brought up Baroque since it seems to me the first point
in Music
> History where the concepts of "major" and "minor" really began to
stabilize
> themselves.

In terms of keys, yes. In terms of chords, they were clearly present,
if not yet analytically recognized, at the beginning of the
Renaissance.

> > When you say "1/4-comma meantone", were you using a 12-tone
subset of
> > this temperament, or a 19-tone one, or...?
> The 12-tone version, starting the chain of 3;2's on E-flat and
ending on
> G-sharp.

That would only work for a few of Bach's pieces, for example the WTC
Book 1 Preludes and Fugues in D minor and F major.