C,C# & E .......

hi,
this is my first post here. I am doing electronic genereated music
with synthesizers and stuff like that ... I am not very educated when
it comes to playing notes or accords. I learned everything on my own
and never had any piano lessons or something.

however i noticed i often use chords based on c,c# and e ... or c,f
and f# ... that produces that slightly disharmonic and moody feeling.
i like that kind of mood very much and i use it often in my music. So
maybe someone could think of any more of such chords... maybe there
is a whole tuning scale which has that moods ?

btw: can anyone tell me what a "tri-ton" is ?

thanx
phono

On Friday 05 March 2004 07:45 am, "phonphobie" wrote:

> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:27:45 -0000
> From: "phonophobie" <sidstation@hotmail.com>
> Subject: C,C# & E .......
>
> hi,
> this is my first post here. I am doing electronic genereated music
> with synthesizers and stuff like that ... I am not very educated when
> it comes to playing notes or accords. I learned everything on my own
> and never had any piano lessons or something.
>
> however i noticed i often use chords based on c,c# and e ... or c,f
> and f# ... that produces that slightly disharmonic and moody feeling.
> i like that kind of mood very much and i use it often in my music. So
> maybe someone could think of any more of such chords... maybe there
> is a whole tuning scale which has that moods ?
>
> btw: can anyone tell me what a "tri-ton" is ?
>
> thanx
> phono

Hey,

Welcome to the tuning group. Rather than bother the members here with
elementary questions on music theory, I suggest you brush up on it via online
music dictionaries and resources, as well as old fashioned reference books.

Netiquette dictates you do so, because we will appear rude to you otherwise if
we ignore you, and you will lose out on the knowledge of this very
specialized group as regards tuning and temperament specific issues.

O.K. just this once: a tritone is a musical interval defined by 3 "whole
tones" (hence the name), or 6 "half steps". For more info, do some homework.
Try out "Theory on the Web" for starters:

http://www.smu.edu/totw/toc.htm

and look up "tritone" under the intervals section:

http://www.smu.edu/totw/interval.htm

Other than that, search engines also work!

Best,
Aaron.

OCEAN, n. A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made
for man -- who has no gills. -Ambrose Bierce 'The Devils Dictionary'

I see...
thanx anyway

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...>
wrote:
> On Friday 05 March 2004 07:45 am, "phonphobie" wrote:
>
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:27:45 -0000
> > From: "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...>
> > Subject: C,C# & E .......
> >
> > hi,
> > this is my first post here. I am doing electronic genereated music
> > with synthesizers and stuff like that ... I am not very educated
when
> > it comes to playing notes or accords. I learned everything on my
own
> > and never had any piano lessons or something.
> >
> > however i noticed i often use chords based on c,c# and e ... or
c,f
> > and f# ... that produces that slightly disharmonic and moody
feeling.
> > i like that kind of mood very much and i use it often in my
music. So
> > maybe someone could think of any more of such chords... maybe
there
> > is a whole tuning scale which has that moods ?
> >
> > btw: can anyone tell me what a "tri-ton" is ?
> >
> > thanx
> > phono
>
> Hey,
>
> Welcome to the tuning group. Rather than bother the members here
with
> elementary questions on music theory, I suggest you brush up on it
via online
> music dictionaries and resources, as well as old fashioned
reference books.
>
> Netiquette dictates you do so, because we will appear rude to you
otherwise if
> we ignore you, and you will lose out on the knowledge of this very
> specialized group as regards tuning and temperament specific issues.
>
> O.K. just this once: a tritone is a musical interval defined by
3 "whole
> tones" (hence the name), or 6 "half steps". For more info, do some
homework.
> Try out "Theory on the Web" for starters:
>
> http://www.smu.edu/totw/toc.htm
>
> and look up "tritone" under the intervals section:
>
> http://www.smu.edu/totw/interval.htm
>
> Other than that, search engines also work!
>
> Best,
> Aaron.
>
>
> OCEAN, n. A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world
made
> for man -- who has no gills. -Ambrose Bierce 'The Devils Dictionary'

Aaron K. Johnson wrote:

>O.K. just this once: a tritone is a musical interval defined by 3 "whole >tones" (hence the name), or 6 "half steps". For more info, do some homework. >Try out "Theory on the Web" for starters:
> >
6 tet.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:

So
> maybe someone could think of any more of such chords... maybe there
> is a whole tuning scale which has that moods ?

You could try C-C#-E-F-Ab-A, or C-C#-D-E-F-F#-Ab-A-Bb.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...>
wrote:
>
> So
> > maybe someone could think of any more of such chords... maybe
there
> > is a whole tuning scale which has that moods ?
>
> You could try C-C#-E-F-Ab-A, or C-C#-D-E-F-F#-Ab-A-Bb.

I would have suggested C-C#-D#-E-F#-G-A-Bb (diminished/octatonic) and
maybe a bunch of 'ethnic' modes such as C-Db-E-F-G-Ab-B, etc.

thanx for suggestions !

i just noticed i did a mistake with the chordnotes ...hehe .. it is

c - c# - f

instead of

c - c# - e...

or in other words c3

261 - 277 - 349 hz

or harmonic nr:

15 - 16 - 20 based on fundamental harmonic

-phono

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus" <paul@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > So
> > > maybe someone could think of any more of such chords... maybe
> there
> > > is a whole tuning scale which has that moods ?
> >
> > You could try C-C#-E-F-Ab-A, or C-C#-D-E-F-F#-Ab-A-Bb.
>
> I would have suggested C-C#-D#-E-F#-G-A-Bb (diminished/octatonic)
and
> maybe a bunch of 'ethnic' modes such as C-Db-E-F-G-Ab-B, etc.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:
> thanx for suggestions !
>
> i just noticed i did a mistake with the chordnotes ...hehe .. it is
>
> c - c# - f
>
> instead of
>
> c - c# - e...
>
> or in other words c3
>
> 261 - 277 - 349 hz
>
> or harmonic nr:
>
> 15 - 16 - 20 based on fundamental harmonic
>
> -phono

Hi! Is there a reason you're not spelling this C - Db - F? This (as
well as the harmonic numbers you cite) would suggest a Db major
seventh chord, since Db as harmonic 16 would be octave-equivalent to
the fundamental. However, if the root is truly C instead, a jazz
musician might think in terms of the chord C-Db-F-G-Bb and scales
such as C-Db-Eb-F-G-Ab-Bb, C-Db-Eb-F-G-A-Bb, and C-Db-E-F-G-Ab-Bb.

Just to clarify -- are you actually tuning to these harmonics, or
using conventional tempered tuning instead?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus" <paul@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> > --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > So
> > > maybe someone could think of any more of such chords... maybe
> there
> > > is a whole tuning scale which has that moods ?
> >
> > You could try C-C#-E-F-Ab-A, or C-C#-D-E-F-F#-Ab-A-Bb.
>
> I would have suggested C-C#-D#-E-F#-G-A-Bb (diminished/octatonic) and
> maybe a bunch of 'ethnic' modes such as C-Db-E-F-G-Ab-B, etc.

I should have mentioned octatonic.

i am maybe not a musican as you are ;) i have very little knowledge
about notes - i mostly use simple stuff and chords which sounds nice
to my ears. I can jam a little on my synthesizers but i am no "
pro "... maybe you would call me a rookie

I guess it´s like this: With C as root C# is a half higher and F is
5th higher.

Actually i don´t know what "db" is ... in fact i use kind of note to
frequency chart to see what i play ;) db is not on this list..

I own a K5000 ( additive synthesis ) for 10 years now - so i have a
little knowledge about harmonics. Harmonic 15,16,20 i mentioned gives
the same interval / sound as c -c# -f ... without the fundamental
harmonic!

I also programm single synthesizer sounds based on chords. For
example i use my synth and set 3 oscilators to those tuning. This way
i have this nice sound all the time when playing just one single
note ;)

I was just looking for some other Intervals or chords that gives such
nice moody feeling. Not really sure what you mean when you say:
C-Db-F-G-Bb and scales such as C-Db-Eb-F-G-Ab-Bb, C-Db-Eb-F-G-A-Bb,
and C-Db-E-F-G-Ab-Bb...
I guess i have to read a good book to get educated about scales and
all that...

I use conventional tempered tuning - but if there is a way to tune
everything to it - i probably would get loose in it

thanx
phono :-]

ps: it´s maybe time to ignore my postings..hehe

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "wallyesterpaulrus" <paul@s...> wrote:
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...>
wrote:
> > thanx for suggestions !
> >
> > i just noticed i did a mistake with the chordnotes ...hehe .. it
is
> >
> > c - c# - f
> >
> > instead of
> >
> > c - c# - e...
> >
> > or in other words c3
> >
> > 261 - 277 - 349 hz
> >
> > or harmonic nr:
> >
> > 15 - 16 - 20 based on fundamental harmonic
> >
> > -phono
>
> Hi! Is there a reason you're not spelling this C - Db - F? This (as
> well as the harmonic numbers you cite) would suggest a Db major
> seventh chord, since Db as harmonic 16 would be octave-equivalent
to
> the fundamental. However, if the root is truly C instead, a jazz
> musician might think in terms of the chord C-Db-F-G-Bb and scales
> such as C-Db-Eb-F-G-Ab-Bb, C-Db-Eb-F-G-A-Bb, and C-Db-E-F-G-Ab-Bb.
>
> Just to clarify -- are you actually tuning to these harmonics, or
> using conventional tempered tuning instead?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...> wrote:
> i am maybe not a musican as you are ;) i have very little knowledge
> about notes - i mostly use simple stuff and chords which sounds
nice
> to my ears. I can jam a little on my synthesizers but i am no "
> pro "... maybe you would call me a rookie

No problem there -- though you probably should take the advice you
were given here about studying basic music theory. I'm afraid this
isn't the place for it. If you have any questions about basic music
theory that come up as you study it, feel free to e-mail me
privately, and I'll be happy to help.