Gene and Brahms (Carl and Aaron thread)

On Tuesday, Carl Lumma wrote:

> > (Aaron wrote)
> >Gene-
> >
> >One more thing--sounds like you have no idea about how this piece is
> >interpreted tempo wise,
>
> Aaron-
>
> You must have missed the part where Gene told us rubato had been
> applied to this almost to the point of being jazz.
>
> -Carl

If tempo means 'basic speed of pulse', and rubato means 'expressive beat
displacement', what I'm talking about is not a rubato issue, but a tempo
issue.

If Gene was deliberately slowing down the scherzo movement down to 1/3 tempo
or so, it's a dubious choice, and to what end?

If you don't know this piece as well as I do, then you might not know where
I'm coming from.

Cheers,
Aaron.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjmicro@c...> wrote:

> If Gene was deliberately slowing down the scherzo movement down to
1/3 tempo
> or so, it's a dubious choice, and to what end?

Didn't you read my response to this? I did no such thing.

> If you don't know this piece as well as I do, then you might not
know where
> I'm coming from.

Where I'm coming from remains with the observation that before
reviewing, you should actually listen to what you are commenting on.
You did not.

>If tempo means 'basic speed of pulse', and rubato means 'expressive
>beat displacement', what I'm talking about is not a rubato issue,
>but a tempo issue.

Ah, my bad.

>If Gene was deliberately slowing down the scherzo movement down
>to 1/3 tempo or so, it's a dubious choice, and to what end?

Incidentally, didn't Gould famously do this to a Brahms concerto?

-Carl

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> >If tempo means 'basic speed of pulse', and rubato means 'expressive
> >beat displacement', what I'm talking about is not a rubato issue,
> >but a tempo issue.
>
> Ah, my bad.
>
> >If Gene was deliberately slowing down the scherzo movement down
> >to 1/3 tempo or so, it's a dubious choice, and to what end?
>
> Incidentally, didn't Gould famously do this to a Brahms concerto?

Which Bernstein famously commented on before conducting. Brahms #1.
But that's Gould for you.