Catler scales

Does anyone know what Jon Catler's 49 and 62 notes per octave are?

hi Gene,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:

> Does anyone know what Jon Catler's 49 and 62 notes per octave are?

i don't have the specifics handy, but AFAIK he's always
used 13-limit JI.

you can get Catler's book for $25 from his website
http://microtones.com/

there's also a list of available CDs

-monz

monz wrote:

>hi Gene,
>
>--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
>
> >
>>Does anyone know what Jon Catler's 49 and 62 notes per octave are?
>> >>
>
>
>
>i don't have the specifics handy, but AFAIK he's always
>used 13-limit JI.
>
>you can get Catler's book for $25 from his website
>http://microtones.com/
>

But it doesn't tell you exactly what he uses on his guitar.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

what, is it a secret?

Dante

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> >you can get Catler's book for $25 from his website
> >http://microtones.com/
> >
>
> But it doesn't tell you exactly what he uses on his guitar.
>
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Dante Rosati wrote:

>what, is it a secret?
>
I'm not on the best terms with Jon,
but he did ask me not to tell anyone the tuning.

But I can say this: for a guy that plays with La Monte Young,
he has a hell of a lot of 5 limit intervals in this guitar.

It's a 13 limit tuning with select subharmonic intervals in
the keys of E, A and D.

He uses the 63rd and 189th harmonics, inherited from La Monte Young.

He does mention the 39th harmonic, a neutral third that he uses instead of
a 11/9.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db

oh jeez... "trade secrets" :-P

As if the tuning you use has anything to do with the quality of your music.
I mean- a talented musican will be talented in any tuning, and a no-count
will persist in not counting in any tuning likewise.

when someone is that way (secretive)it makes me lose interest in their work
almost faster than anything.

I like Jon's fretless work best anyway...

Dante

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:45 PM
> To: tuning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Catler scales
>
>
> Dante Rosati wrote:
>
> >what, is it a secret?
> >
> I'm not on the best terms with Jon,
> but he did ask me not to tell anyone the tuning.
>
> But I can say this: for a guy that plays with La Monte Young,
> he has a hell of a lot of 5 limit intervals in this guitar.
>
> It's a 13 limit tuning with select subharmonic intervals in
> the keys of E, A and D.
>
> He uses the 63rd and 189th harmonics, inherited from La Monte Young.
>
> He does mention the 39th harmonic, a neutral third that he uses instead of
> a 11/9.
>
>
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> * microtonal guitar
> * http://biink.com/db
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--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@i...> wrote:

> I like Jon's fretless work best anyway...

Me too -- the track "Hyperspace" is "out of this world"!

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Dante Rosati" <dante@i...> wrote:

> when someone is that way (secretive)it makes me lose interest in
their work
> almost faster than anything.

It does keep people from analyzing the scale, which has proven to be
a traumatic experience for some.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> wrote:
> It does keep people from analyzing the scale, which has proven to be
> a traumatic experience for some.

Well, be sure to tell them both that it is something they can get over with aromatherapy...

Cheers,
Jon