all things in moderation

Early today, Mark came by and gave some moderator powers
to both Gene and I, and maybe others.

So far what I have done is:

() Disabled 2-3 members from posting, who had a history
of posting spam here, and turned off their subscriptions.
I can't completely delete members.

() Turned off the subscriptions and files-section access
of a few other members for whom Gene had already disabled
posting. Gene, and all other moderators, I think it's
important to not continue sending the list out to spammers.
It gets us listed with more spammers. And file-section
access should be turned off for obvious reasons.

() Deleted a few adverts from the Files section and Links
section. ****NOTICE**** If any members have old files
they would like to delete but cannot, because they were
posted under old yahoo profiles or for whatever reason,
let me know, I can delete them. This will give our file
section some breathing room. I encourage everyone to
take a look and see what they might have lurking in there.
In particular I urge everyone to move their items into
folders marked with their name, so the root directory
listing stays tidy.

Thanks!

-Carl

Carl,

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> Early today, Mark came by and gave some moderator powers
> to both Gene and I, and maybe others.

Since I wrote Mark myself, I'm curious: any idea why -

1. He wrote to you guys privately?
2. He picked the moderators that he did?

I think that if conservatorship (or some other benign term) of the list has/is chang(ed/ing), it would be good for the list to be apprised of the entire set of circumstances.

Other than that, I'm glad that there is now active oversight, and can address some of the issues - primarily spam - that caused so many problems.

Cheers,
Jon

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:

> Since I wrote Mark myself, I'm curious: any idea why -
>
> 1. He wrote to you guys privately?
> 2. He picked the moderators that he did?

I have no idea why #1; for #2, we both volunteered, which clearly is
an important consideration.

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Carl,
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> > Early today, Mark came by and gave some moderator powers
> > to both Gene and I, and maybe others.
>
> Since I wrote Mark myself, I'm curious: any idea why -
>
> 1. He wrote to you guys privately?
> 2. He picked the moderators that he did?
>
> I think that if conservatorship (or some other benign term) of the
list has/is chang(ed/ing), it would be good for the list to be
apprised of the entire set of circumstances.
>
> Other than that, I'm glad that there is now active oversight, and
can address some of the issues - primarily spam - that caused so many
problems.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

I Yahoo! Messenger-ed him myself. I'm perfectly happy with the new
arrangement.

Peter

on 12/11/03 7:41 PM, Gene Ward Smith <gwsmith@svpal.org> wrote:

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
>
>> Since I wrote Mark myself, I'm curious: any idea why -
>>
>> 1. He wrote to you guys privately?
>> 2. He picked the moderators that he did?
>
> I have no idea why #1; for #2, we both volunteered, which clearly is
> an important consideration.

Well I don't know when Carl will get back to his computer to reply himself,
but when I called him earlier I asked if it was really true, since Mark had
seemed to have disappeared in a big way. He said that Mark just finally got
in contact again in response to the requests from various of us 2 or 3 weeks
ago in relation to the spam problem, and that between himself (Carl) and
Gene they had deleted the spam messages from the archive and spam files from
the files area, and disabled the spammers' ability to post. Great!

-Kurt

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Szanto" <JSZANTO@A...> wrote:
> Carl,
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Carl Lumma <ekin@l...> wrote:
> > Early today, Mark came by and gave some moderator powers
> > to both Gene and I, and maybe others.
>
> Since I wrote Mark myself, I'm curious: any idea why -
>
> 1. He wrote to you guys privately?
> 2. He picked the moderators that he did?
>
> I think that if conservatorship (or some other benign
> term) of the list has/is chang(ed/ing), it would be good
> for the list to be apprised of the entire set of
> circumstances.
>
> Other than that, I'm glad that there is now active
> oversight, and can address some of the issues -
> primarily spam - that caused so many problems.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon

i agree with what Jon says.

... but i must admit that yesterday i got the biggest laugh
i've had in a long time when paul erlich referred to this
in a private email to me as "the tuning/porn list". :)

-monz

>> Early today, Mark came by and gave some moderator powers
>> to both Gene and I, and maybe others.
>
>Since I wrote Mark myself, I'm curious: any idea why -
>
>1. He wrote to you guys privately?

I don't know -- don't have the message. It was in my list inbox,
but if you all didn't get it, he must have sent it to ekin.

>2. He picked the moderators that he did?

Have no idea, other than that Gene and I both volunteered weeks
ago, before this whole mess started. I think either Gene or I
can now add more, if there are more volunteers. Just be advised
that tuning-owner gets apparently 100 or more spam mails a day.

>I think that if conservatorship (or some other benign term) of the
>list has/is chang(ed/ing), it would be good for the list to be
>apprised of the entire set of circumstances.

That's why I posted the announcement.

-Carl

>> Since I wrote Mark myself, I'm curious: any idea why -
>>
>> 1. He wrote to you guys privately?
>> 2. He picked the moderators that he did?
>
>I have no idea why #1; for #2, we both volunteered, which clearly is
>an important consideration.

I did solicit for volunteers in my open letter to Mark, which is
apparently what he found. Also Jon you may not have seen it by I
tried to contact Mark too (though my mail to him bounced).

Unforch. it looks like the spam thing is gaining steam. I'd
attribute it to monz's replying-to-spammers, but most of the spam
coming to tuning-owner is to onelist, which probably dates it.

Anyway, if spam keeps growing at this rate we'll need either/or:

() More moderators.

() Moderate new subscriptions. Yahoo gives an option for this. It
isn't to be done lightly because some potential members might see it
as a deterrent to signing up, however slight. However, it might not
be a bad idea, either.

-Carl

[I wrote...]
>Unforch. it looks like the spam thing is gaining steam. I'd
>attribute it to monz's replying-to-spammers, but most of the spam
>coming to tuning-owner is to onelist, which probably dates it.
>
>Anyway, if spam keeps growing at this rate we'll need either/or:
>
>() More moderators.
>
>() Moderate new subscriptions. Yahoo gives an option for this. It
>isn't to be done lightly because some potential members might see it
>as a deterrent to signing up, however slight. However, it might not
>be a bad idea, either.

...Although fewer are getting through than I originally thought.
Some of the e-mails I was worried about were sent to both tuning-owner
and tuning, and tuning bounced them because they weren't subscribed,
but I still got them and wrongly assumed they had gone through here.
The tuning list bounces a great deal of mail.

-Carl

Gene and Carl,

Thanks for taking on these responsibilities. I hope it will not put a dent in your own schedules.

Can Akkoc

Carl Lumma <ekin@lumma.org> wrote:
Early today, Mark came by and gave some moderator powers
to both Gene and I, and maybe others.

So far what I have done is:

() Disabled 2-3 members from posting, who had a history
of posting spam here, and turned off their subscriptions.
I can't completely delete members.

() Turned off the subscriptions and files-section access
of a few other members for whom Gene had already disabled
posting. Gene, and all other moderators, I think it's
important to not continue sending the list out to spammers.
It gets us listed with more spammers. And file-section
access should be turned off for obvious reasons.

() Deleted a few adverts from the Files section and Links
section. ****NOTICE**** If any members have old files
they would like to delete but cannot, because they were
posted under old yahoo profiles or for whatever reason,
let me know, I can delete them. This will give our file
section some breathing room. I encourage everyone to
take a look and see what they might have lurking in there.
In particular I urge everyone to move their items into
folders marked with their name, so the root directory
listing stays tidy.

Thanks!

-Carl

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