Re: Some breathing space for sagittal?

>
> From: Afmmjr@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Some breathing space for sagittal? (was: wrong use of "Tuning Ma...
>
> On page 120 of Gardner Read's "20th Century Microtonal Notation" I note that
> both my notation and George Secor's notation are printed. We both use the
> same quartertone sharps and differ only in a preference for quartertone flats.
> This page represents only quartertones for us both.
>
> On p. 143, Read writes:
>
> "George Secor's version of the 41-tone scale in equal temperament is far more
> simple in its notational design that that devised by Wilson; Secor has merely
> extended his suggested notation for the 31-tone gamut by adding in a logical
> manner modifications of is previously utilized symbols."

but does Gardner understand that the notation are designed for different things? Wilson is designed for keyboards/
i wish I had Secors in front of me though, but what can be simplier than a slant up for up keyboard and a slant down for down keyboard, I doubt if Erv conceive his tuning notation for just 41 ET alone. the other point is that there is more than one way to map 41 to a bosanquet keyboard, each with there own advantage and real practial use. Each mapping could result in
a different notation
Gardner is no expert outside of writing a book. Has he ever had to use such a thing?

-- -Kraig Grady
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In a message dated 10/6/2003 8:43:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kraiggrady@anaphoria.com writes:

> Gardner is no expert outside of writing a book. Has he ever had to use such
> a thing?

Garnder has never written a thing that was microtonal. He was being
encyclopedic in nature by writing the microtonal notation book. He has written on
notation all his life. That is why one must accept his advice with a grain of
sand.

best, Johnny

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, kraig grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Afmmjr@a...
> > Subject: Re: Some breathing space for sagittal? (was: wrong use
of "Tuning Ma...
> >
> > On page 120 of Gardner Read's "20th Century Microtonal Notation"
I note that
> > both my notation and George Secor's notation are printed. We
both use the
> > same quartertone sharps and differ only in a preference for
quartertone flats.
> > This page represents only quartertones for us both.
> >
> > On p. 143, Read writes:
> >
> > "George Secor's version of the 41-tone scale in equal temperament
is far more
> > simple in its notational design that that devised by Wilson;
Secor has merely
> > extended his suggested notation for the 31-tone gamut by adding
in a logical
> > manner modifications of is previously utilized symbols."
>
> but does Gardner understand that the notation are designed for
different things? Wilson is designed for keyboards/
> i wish I had Secors in front of me though, but what can be
simplier than a slant up for up keyboard and a slant down for down
keyboard, I doubt if Erv conceive his tuning notation for just 41 ET
alone. the other point is that there is more than one way to map 41
to a bosanquet keyboard, each with there own advantage and real
practial use. Each mapping could result in
> a different notation
> Gardner is no expert outside of writing a book. Has he ever had to
use such a thing?
>
> -- -Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island

Forget about whatever I may have advocated for 41-ET in the 1970s --
Erv didn't care for it, and I abandoned it long ago.

Now to answer your question of what can be simpler than a slant up
and slant down, I submit sagittal's 5-comma symbol, which you will
find shown in this figure:

/tuning-
math/files/secor/notation/SagJI.gif

In the upper staff, the 5-comma down symbol appears in the two chords
in the 1st measure, while the 5-comma up symbol is shown twice in the
second chord of the second measure.

Why is this simpler? Because it's easier to tell the direction of
the alteration (from pythagorean) if the slanted line is combined
with a vertical line to form a semi-arrow.

This example is in JI, but the same 5-comma symbol pair is used for a
single-degree alteration of 41-ET (and 22, 46, 53, and 72, for that
matter). So you see that the *harmonic* meaning of the symbol *does
not change* when the tuning changes.

--George