Re: [tuning] Digest Number 2656

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> From: "Justin Weaver" <improvist@usa.net>
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> All these points are extremely well-taken and I do hope the musical culture needed to
> perform extended JI music well on acoustic instruments emerges in the coming years.

I have been waiting since 75. actually i didn't wait and built what i could when i needed it glad i have.

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> Are there any extant cultures that accept the 7-limit in theory and/or practice? What
> about the 11-limit? There's probably a cut-off point where the music becomes
> incomprehensible in a folk tradition, especially when the system begins generating
> numerous intervals that could potentially compete for the same function (e.g.,
> subminor vs. minor third).

the 13th are found in Alp horn melodies and Kathleen Sclesinghers book. The Greek Aulos can give you all types of example of higher subharmonics as
found on equally spaced holes on flutes. often we finfd the exit hole tuned to a 3/2 of on of the harmonics.

> Contemporary higher-limit JI developments since Partch
> represent an important artistic tradition, but not a folk tradition.

There were quite a few persian scales developed not by using the concept of limits , but by using Means, hence causing some higher numbers to come
out of their series. If with the greeks you find thistrend toward means.

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> find the notes intuitively, the tradition will always remain hyperspecialized and won't
> infiltrate the general artistic culture.

I don't think there is a general artistic culture as much as the european builds as many walls around hinmself to protect himself from future shock

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> Of course, by those criteria, it's amazing that 12tet ever emerged, but the piano and
> its proto-ilk are to blame (along with other factors, I know). I'd argue that 12tet is
> STILL not truly in practical use in Western music, but that's another thread. -Justin

I think most here on this list would agree with this. It happens very couple of years whether we want it to or not.

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