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Vicetino in the Vatican

🔗pitchcolor <Pitchcolor@aol.com>

7/5/2003 1:13:30 PM

Hi, maybe you have already seen this 1555 drawing by Antonio Barre of
Nicola Vicetino's (sic?) 31-tone keyboard which is in the Vatican, but I just
happened across it. Of course it is in the 'extra objects' category.

http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/vatican.exhibit/exhibit/e-music/Music_extra.html

Aaron

🔗Paul Erlich <perlich@aya.yale.edu>

7/6/2003 10:50:12 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "pitchcolor" <Pitchcolor@a...> wrote:
> Hi, maybe you have already seen this 1555 drawing by Antonio Barre
of
> Nicola Vicetino's (sic?) 31-tone keyboard which is in the Vatican,
but I just
> happened across it. Of course it is in the 'extra objects' category.
>
>
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/vatican.exhibit/exhibit/e-music/Music_extr
a.html
>
> Aaron

why does the keyboard only have 19 notes per octave? was there another
12-tone keyboard used as well in the instrument? margo, are you there?
;)

🔗Kyle Gann <kgann@earthlink.net>

7/7/2003 5:59:52 AM

>why does the keyboard only have 19 notes per octave? was there another
>12-tone keyboard used as well in the instrument? margo, are you there?
>;)

The book in which I first saw a diagram of Vicentino's harpsichord - I don't have it with me, and can look it up tomorrow if anyone's interested - was a two-manual harpsichord with, I believe, 12 pitches per octave on one manual and 19 on the other.

Kyle

🔗Graham Breed <graham@microtonal.co.uk>

7/7/2003 11:39:40 AM

Paul Erlich wrote:

> why does the keyboard only have 19 notes per octave? was there another > 12-tone keyboard used as well in the instrument? margo, are you there?
> ;)

The lower keyboard has 19 notes per octave, and the upper one 17.

Graham

🔗Paul Erlich <perlich@aya.yale.edu>

7/7/2003 1:36:36 PM

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Graham Breed <graham@m...> wrote:
> Paul Erlich wrote:
>
> > why does the keyboard only have 19 notes per octave? was there
another
> > 12-tone keyboard used as well in the instrument? margo, are you
there?
> > ;)
>
> The lower keyboard has 19 notes per octave, and the upper one 17.
>
>
> Graham

duh! thanks graham, i totally forgot that vicentino had a 36-tone
instrument, for which he had two tunings: first, 31-equal plus five
just fifths above five notes, and second, the adaptive ji tuning
that's been discussed extensively on this list:

http://www.sonic-arts.org/monzo/vicentino/vicentino.htm

since i gave monz the information about the 19+17 arrangement on this
page, it's pretty embarrassing that i would have forgotten it so soon!