Re: Safiuddin's 17 tone scale

hi Can,

> From: "Can Akkoc" <can193849@yahoo.com>
> To: "Joe Monzo" <monz@attglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:54 PM
> Subject: Safiuddin's 17 tone scale
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Some contemporary music theorists in Turkey
> believe, and some even claim the "proper" tuning
> for traditional Turkish music is/ought to be the
> 17 tone scale proposed by Safiuddin Urmevi (1224-1294).
>
> The link given here provides audio input for
> the said tuning scale. You probably can make
> more sense/use out of this resource that I can.
>
> http://www.musikionline.com/bolumler/nazariyat/safiyuddin/safiyuddin2_.htm

i don't know why he bothers to put the decimal
part of KOMA UZAKLIGI, since 53edo represents
all of the ratios so well that integers would
be close enough.

the 17-tone pattern in 53edo-degrees is:

4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1

thanks for the reference. i should make a
webpage out of this.

-monz

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@a...> wrote:
> hi Can,
>
>
> > From: "Can Akkoc" <can193849@y...>
> > To: "Joe Monzo" <monz@a...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:54 PM
> > Subject: Safiuddin's 17 tone scale
> >
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > Some contemporary music theorists in Turkey
> > believe, and some even claim the "proper" tuning
> > for traditional Turkish music is/ought to be the
> > 17 tone scale proposed by Safiuddin Urmevi (1224-1294).
> >
> > The link given here provides audio input for
> > the said tuning scale. You probably can make
> > more sense/use out of this resource that I can.
> >
> >
http://www.musikionline.com/bolumler/nazariyat/safiyuddin/safiyuddin2
_
.htm
>
>
>
> i don't know why he bothers to put the decimal
> part of KOMA UZAKLIGI, since 53edo represents
> all of the ratios so well that integers would
> be close enough.
>
> the 17-tone pattern in 53edo-degrees is:
>
> 4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1
>
>
> thanks for the reference. i should make a
> webpage out of this.
>
>
>
> -monz

on tuning-math a while back, i gave names for several omnitetrachordal
scales, including pajara, injera, etc. . . . this 17-tone scale (or at
least its pattern of small and large steps), i called "ankara" . . .

> http://www.anaphoria.com/genus.PDF page 2 for instance

>
> From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@yahoo.com>

> > the 17-tone pattern in 53edo-degrees is:
> >
> > 4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1
> > -monz
>
> on tuning-math a while back, i gave names for several omnitetrachordal
> scales, including pajara, injera, etc. . . . this 17-tone scale (or at
> least its pattern of small and large steps), i called "ankara" . . .
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST

this is beautiful -- i think i always skipped over that one before.

other omnitetrachordal systems include 10-tone and 14-tone ones,
typically involving the vanishing of the 50:49 . . . and of course
you have 19-of-meantone . . .

dave keenan and i once stumbled on an omnitetrachordal 22-tone scale
with *3* step sizes. such beasts seem to be rare and should be sought
out!

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, Kraig Grady <kraiggrady@a...> wrote:
> > http://www.anaphoria.com/genus.PDF page 2 for instance
>
> >
> > From: "wallyesterpaulrus" <wallyesterpaulrus@y...>
>
> > > the 17-tone pattern in 53edo-degrees is:
> > >
> > > 4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1 4 4 1 4 4 4 1
> > > -monz
> >
> > on tuning-math a while back, i gave names for several
omnitetrachordal
> > scales, including pajara, injera, etc. . . . this 17-tone scale
(or at
> > least its pattern of small and large steps), i called "ankara" .
. .
> >
>
> -- -Kraig Grady
> North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
> http://www.anaphoria.com
> The Wandering Medicine Show
> KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST